Bad news for us Brits (aka - Ep2 PG)

[Pendo]

Well it's bad news for you if you live in the UK. The British Board of Certification (or whatever it's called) have said that several bits must be cut out of the film to make it a PG rating. One of these include's Obi-Wan's headbutt to Jango.
Click here (http://www.theforce.net/episode2/index.html#16158) for more information.

What is it with us brits getting stuff cut out? Rick McCallum's interesting "speech" was cut from The Begining on the DVD. His bad language wasn't just bleeped out, the whole scene was cut completley, WHY?
And now we are having bits cut out of AOTC. I really think this SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad: :frus: :mad: :frus: :mad:
I know it's only little bits, but it's good bits.

PENDO!

[Pendo]

What does BBFC stand for, is it British Board of Film Classification?
Whatever it stands for, they suck.
PENDO!

[pthfnder89]

That's really odd. I think Europe in general is a lot more liberal about nudity and sex, but more conservative than America about violence.

Deleting out a headbutt seems like a strange selection though. I assume they are leaving in Anakins dismemberment?

[Darth Ovori]

Europe is wierd...

Example: You can walk into a gamestore, buy "barely legal porn" Titles next to "the sims game", **** in any street corner, spit on the pavement, smoke a joint in public, and a adult is allowed to date a 14 to 16 year old girl, uni-sex bathrooms in bars and restuarants... but it is totally forbiddened to undo all your shirt buttons and dance on the table in a rave club...

Go figure...

PS, I'm speaking about Rotterdam (Holland)...

[Jargo]

The BBFC was doing really well under the administration of the last chief who started to push the limits as to what could and couldn't be shown. The guy who took over is a litle more prurient and picky. But at least he doesn't completely hack it to pieces which he could. he could cut out huge pieces of this movie likely to scare kiddies who it's intended for and make the thing a 12 certificate. Now that would be bad. Editing out just a head butt is nothing really.

[JEDIpartner]

The good news for you Brits is...

YOU GET THE BLOODY BUGGERY SOUVENIR PROGRAMME AND WE DO NOT!!! :frus:

[Jargo]

We do? oh. What's that then? Is it something worth having? :confused:

[mylow thehutt]

:) sorry if this was brought up befor,but i read at theforce.net that a kid in the UK was worried about a PG rating because Jango head butts Obi-Wan.what was he talking about.

[mylow thehutt]

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[Beast]

Here is what TheForce.net has to say about what your asking mylow.

UK AOTC Cut To Obtain PG Rating
Wed, May 08, 02 07:20:12 AM EDT

Ananova reports that AOTC has been given a PG rating in the UK. This is a higher rating than the other Star Wars films which all received U ratings. Thanks to Mandalorian & Raj for the alerts.

Update:
British fans will be dissappointed to hear that the UK version of AOTC has been cut to fall into the PG category. Just last week, Lewis sent us this a note after watching the 2nd Jango Fett TV spot:

After downloading the new Jango Fett TV spot, I have started to get worried. I live in the UK and I am very familiar with the BBFC regulations on film ratings. All previous Star Wars films have recieved "U" certificates, which is similar to the MPAA rating "G". The TV spot, however, features Jango head butting Obi Wan Kenobi. Just last year, 'The Mummy Returns' was cut to get a "12" certificate rather the higher "15" certificate because of a head butt. What I'm trying to say is the BBFC will not allow a head butt in anything less than a "15" and Attack of the Clones will be cut.

Turns out he was partially right. Here are the notes from the BBFC Website:
Star Wars - Episode II - Attack Of The Clones
Feature Film - Run Time 142m 5s
Classified 07 May, 2002
Theme or content - Contains sci-fi action, violence and peril

When submitted to the BBFC the work had a running time of 142m 6s. The running time of this film was calculated from the measured length of 12787+12 ( feet + frames ).

To obtain this category cuts of 0m 1s were required. The cuts were Cuts for Category. Company chose to cut sight of a head butt to achieve a "PG". A "12" uncut was available to the distributor.

If British fans want to check out what they won't be seeing from May 16th, you can download the 2nd Jango Fett TV spot by clicking here here (the head butt is 19 seconds in). Those who are trying to remain spoiler free should watch the trailer after May16th. Thanks to LeeD for the BBFC link.

You see, over in the UK the ratings system is a little different then what it is here. British sensibilities of what is ok in a family picture are also vastly different. The BBFC won't allow a head butt in a movie unless it has a "15" rating. So the shot of Jango headbutting Obi-Wan in the Kamino rain battle will be removed in British prints, to get a PG rating there. :)

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

[mylow thehutt]

oh thanx Jar-Jar.

[derek]

a head butt?....

this is a film where one man has his head cut off, another loses his arm, a whole village is killed, a woman is blown up, and 100's of people are killed in an arena.

a head butt?

[Beast]

And you wonder why our forefathers held the Bosten Tea Party. So that someday in the far future we could see Jango Fett headbutt Obi-Wan Kenobi. Don't ask me, like I said the British Film Board considers different stuff unacceptable. Does it make alot of sense, heck no. Did they end up doing it, heck yeah. :crazed:

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

[pthfnder89]

Originally posted by derek
a head butt?....

this is a film where one man has his head cut off, another loses his arm, a whole village is killed, a woman is blown up, and 100's of people are killed in an arena.

a head butt?

Yeah, I wondered the same thing when someone mentioned the edit last week.

Maybe they're trying to curb the rash of head buttings at football games :) (I mean UK football of course;))

[Jargo]

No, the beheading and the arm severing are considered fair game in an honest slug-it-out battle. Headbutting is just not cricket old bean and not the marquess of Queensbury rules fisticuffs fighting. It's unethical and should be frowned upon. If it had been a punch square on the nose it would have been fine but it's a jolly bad show when someone resorts to common street fighting in a battle. How is that fair? So the head butt goes but the head slicing stays because that's just what anyone would do in the same situation. You have a psycopath coming at you all guns blazing so what do you do - you cut his jolly head off. And when you have a fight to the death with swords it's perfectly acceptable to assume that someone is either going to be stabbed through and die or have a limb cut off to disable them and win the battle. Clean fighting is really okay but dirty fighting is just bad. Does that make it any clearer.......? :crazed:

[AreTwo-DeeTwo]

The UK. Do they not have nudity on TV there all the time or is that somewhere else overeas? Yeah, headbutts are really disturbing.

[Jargo]

Nudity and headbutts in the same equation? For sure, we have nudity o Television, but that's art. An appreciation of the aesthetic form of natures finest creations. Headbutting is so - animal and inhuman and... low. Common pack animals habitually head butt one another in a show of dominance. One over the other until one simply gives up and walks away. Unworthy behaviour. The behaviour one would stoop to in the absense of intelligence or reason or wile. To include a headbutt in a fight would be to reduce the fight to the level of pack animals. Where's the finesse in a headbutt? Where's the grace and style that a seasoned fighter should display? Dooku is a gentleman's fighter. Kenobi is a gentleman's fighter. Jango is little more than a thing that crawled out of the ocean having not evolved past the reptile stage. Pathetic! That's why he should remain on the cutting room floor with his nasty little headbutt. Do you see...? :)

The country that has the most nudity on Television would probably be a European one, one on the continent with a large industry devoted to producing tacky adult video tapes of a nasty salacious nature. A country that allows women to retain their underarm hair in copious amounts. UGH! *shudders* Horrid - simply horrid! :zzz:

[die-jarjar-die]

I've just been reading on the BBFC's website about the cut for AOTC :( Booooooooooooooooo!

I guess Region 2 sales of AOTC dvd will be next to nil & Region 1 sales will soar!

I wonder if there will be a crackdown on imported Region 1 AOTC dvd's when its released??????

[Darth Ovori]

NOOO, I've just founded out that we get all our movies from the theaters of the UK!!!!!

So I guess Holland is also gonna end up without the head butt... but read my earlier post...

Again, go figure...

[jedi_uk73]

I don't think the DVD R2 version will have that bit cut. DVD's always seem to have the missing bits back in.


For example :

Die Hard 2 was cut to buggery in the cinema & video versions (cert 15). They then re-released the video and then DVD with everything back in. (cert 18)

Although 1 (whole) second has been cut from ATOC, it won't really spoil the film. If we didn't know in the first place we wouldn't have been any the wiser.

I don't really see why a head butt has been cut, how many kids are going to take any notice. They all watch 18 certs at home anyway.

BBFC suck..... BIG TIME.

[die-jarjar-die]

If the DVD version does have the missing headbutt back in then cool........But if not...Reg1 here I come.

I was discussing the rather curious decision to cut the Headbutt with a friend today & I suddenly remembered a scene from a very recent PG rated film in which a headbutt does in fact occur.....
The film being Lord of the Rings : Fellowship of the Ring. If you watch the battle at Amon Hen closely after Aragorn has stabbed Lurtz in the thigh with a rather large dagger, Lurtz punches Aragorn, picks him off the floor & then headbutts him.......... How is it that a headbutt, which apparantly cannot be in anything less than a 15, can be in one PG rated film, as certified by the BBFC, but not another? Very strange!

I wonder is there anyway that one can appeal against a BBFC decision once it has been given & if so is it too late to try?

[Jargo]

Yes and yes. :) Oh, you want more details? there's probably more details on appeal at their own site http://www.bbfc.co.uk/ sorry, can't offer you any more than that.

[die-jarjar-die]

no worries Emperor Jargo & thanks for the heads up....I'm going to head over there now & see what i can discover. I'll post what I find, if anything & if its positive perhaps we should start a protest or something? I dunno! hheehe Caffeine & cigarettes have a strange effect in the middle of the night!!

[die-jarjar-die]

Directly copied from the pages of the BBFC:



"Appeals

Any film or video company which disagrees with a classification decision may appeal against it directly to the Board. Additionally, in the case of films, the company (or any member of the public) may address itself to the local authority which licenses cinemas in a particular area. In the case of videos, a company may appeal to the Video Appeals Committee which is independent of the Board.

The public can make its views known to the Board at any stage of the film or video classification process.

British Board of Film Classification
3 Soho Square
London W1D 3HD

T 020 7440 1570 F 020 7287 0141 www.bbfc.co.uk"



Ok....a plan of action is needed...........Perhaps if we can get enough UK star wars fans to ring, write or email the BBFC appealing the decision & send an email to Lucasfilm explaining the reason why we feel it should be appealed then perhaps we can get decision reversed..........

Then again it might just mean a delay in the release of the movie, hence LFL's non appeal of the decision! Eeeeep! What to do? What to do??????



ACK!!!!!!!! JUST READ THIS PART:

"The public can make its views known to the Board at any stage of the film or video classification process."

Seems we were just a little too late :(

[Jargo]

I say we just hire a Sherman tank and plow straight through their front door carrying few random weapons of mass destruction as we go and demand that they re-instate the cut footage or we'll ruin their nice grey suits and make them late for the current test match at Lords and afternoon tea. That should scare them. :happy: