Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles: Season 2

[Tycho]

The future is now. There is no fate but what we make.

Season 2 will start one week from this Monday!

We last saw Cameron getting blown up in an SUV, but she has synthetically grown (disgusting) skin flesh and that special metal that Terminators are made from, hidden somewhere. So I'm sure she'll repair herself.

Eric Reese (Kyle's brother) will be a permanent addition to the cast this season. The Future Wars fighter has made a nice contribution to the storyline thus far.

I will review the Season 1 DVDs in that season's thread once I get to watching them. With nothing else to add for the moment, this post will now Terminate!

But I'll be back.

[Kidhuman]

Too bad they are putting it up against Heroes, it loses IMO

[sith_killer_99]

Too bad they are putting it up against Heroes, it loses IMO

"Rating wars" don't mean much in this day and age. That is to say...dual channel DVR's, free episodes online, file sharing networks, iTunes and DVD/blu-ray sales all affect the market.

In fact, I'm pretty sure at lease one of these formats were the corner stone of a recent writer's strike.:yes:

In any event, I don't think it will damage the series to the point of cancellation.

Long live Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles!!!:yes:

BTW, I just bought the blu-ray set and it ROCKS!!!:yes:

[Lord Malakite]

Until the mandatory all digital switch date in Feb. the Heroes vs. Terminator thing won't really be that a big of a deal. I'll just tape one and watch the other. The only question is which to tape and which to watch. ;)

[sith_killer_99]

I'll just tape one and watch the other.

Tape? What is this tape you speak of?;)

[OC47150]

I know of this tape and still heavily use it to this day!!!

I can't wait either.

[jedibear]

Well...I don't want to start a war here, but I'm more apt to tune into this instead of Heroes...After last season, Heroes has a lot to make up for to get me interested again. Sorry Heroes fans, but it really was awful.
And I'm really hoping TSCC doesn't fall into that soph slump that Heroes did last year...been watching the DVD of last season and it's really good to watch this filling the screen and uninterrupted by commercials and noisy stuff in the corner...

Here's hoping the new season is as good as the first!

[Tycho]

Yeah. I'm watching my Season 1 DVD set now and I can barely stop! The show was so edgy and great!

"I need reconstructive surgery!"

[sith_killer_99]

I am a bit concerned about the upcoming season.

They did so much in the first season, now they have to push the second season to really get it up to par with the first.

I watched the behind the scenes/making of part on my blu-ray and they were really stoked about doing the episode where they go into the future. It worked really well, but I also remember them saying that it was expensive and time consuming, which is why they shot it last.

That sort of raised red flags for me. If the show doesn't get the ratings execs demand there will be little or no funding to do more episodes like that.

Speaking of which, did anyone else notice the foreshadowing between the future episode (where Derek is captured) and the part where John was talking to Derek about his mom "giving him up".

Derek tells John not to judge his mom too harshly, how four walls can mess with a persons head.

John says "some people never give up"

Derek's reply was "fewer than you think."

Somethings going on there. In the future episode Derek was taken to a room, interrogation style. Shortly after that they are all let go?!?! WTF? I want to know more!:Pirate:

Anyway, let's all hope the show is a big success, so we can all enjoy the outstanding work everyone has put into this. :thumbsup:

Lest this show end up going the way of truly great television like Surface or Invasion while "reality television" pollutes the networks.:mad:

[Kidhuman]

Good News Everyone - It is on 8pm instead of 9pm, no conflicts

[sith_killer_99]

That's great news.:D

[Tenric78]

I liked the show, but i stopped liking the Terminator chick after she let the russian lady die...

[Tycho]

I thought that was cool - it was a darker and edgier aspect to the story-telling, and this IS Terminator.

There are tons of awful shows out there where good or "the right thing" always triumphs. That's not the way it is in the real world everyday. Like I said, there are tons of other shows that perpetuate good always winning over evil, if a viewer wants to see that. In fact, it is the standard in most storytelling. Kudos for Terminator braving to be different.

But there's been more than one time where Cameron let someone die - the girl that was having the affair with her school counselor that jumped off the high school gym roof last season. Cameron refused to let John save her, nor did she save her herself (while she could have). But Cameron is not trying to be a hero. Her only mission is to protect John.

[Tenric78]

I get what they are doing with all that, but that doesn't mean I have to like her.

[Tycho]

Awesome season premier tonight. Everything was totally unexpected - I had the cliffhanger resolution worked out in my mind, and what the writers did was so much better!

Hey, what do you get when you cross a urinal and a Terminator?

A Terminal. Hahahahahahaha! :lipsrsealed:

But I did suspect from the very beginning that the lady CEO was a Terminator or something. So she's a T-1000 or a Termamatrix?

Cameron's "I love you, John!" got more of my attention though. I think there's more to that story than just a ploy to get him to spare her.

BTW - when she was pinned between the two trucks, shouldn't a Terminator be able to push her way out of that, though? Ah well, John was very quick to remove her chip.

Great show tonight!

[sith_killer_99]

I LOVED it! The new season started with a bang.

Cameron's "I love you, John!" got more of my attention though. I think there's more to that story than just a ploy to get him to spare her.

Yeah, I've suspected there was something else there for a while now.

BTW - when she was pinned between the two trucks, shouldn't a Terminator be able to push her way out of that, though?

Yeah, but in all fairness, Sarah Connor kept her foot on the gas, which would have made it more difficult, as there was constant pressure being applied.

I suspected the red head was a Terminator from the get go, the surprise was that she was a "T-1000" model.

[Kidhuman]

I thought it was a really good episode. Just a question, at the end when it said termination override, did she do that on her own or was it the program?

[Tycho]

I think the writers are leaving that as a mystery for now, KH.

The whole thing struggles with the question of "what is sentience?"

The Terminators start as extensions of SkyNet. They're akin to downloading your laptop to your i-Pod for the basic music program it can handle.

Then the Terminators start learning and adapting as their mission dictates. "No problemo."

Whether that eventually allows them to gain the same self-awareness that SkyNet originally got, is of course debatable. Any "good" Terminator that we've met (Uncle Bob, Cameron) were also reprogrammed by the Resistance (or John, personally). So it's hard to tell right now - and of course the writers will tease us with this and the sexual tension between John and Cameron (if she feels anything). But I suspect the "I love you" line will keep us speculating for the rest of the year. In spite of the great special effects and awesome action-story development, this show also has great character acting - just one more thing to keep us coming back for more each week.

I love Terminator stuff!

[Qui-Long Gone]

I'm curious how this series will fit with the new film?

I like the vision of this series, but will it have enough tank in it's gas or will it pull a BSG/Lost/Alias and run out of gas on the brink of genius?

[Tycho]

Well, then I think they need to keep it short and sweet. A few seasons - kind of like a mini-series.

It's too bad that in "TV land" the execs think that if a show is at the top of its ratings, they must drag it on out forever.

A good example of the opposite is Star Trek: The Next Generation. A lot of people think that was a perfect show. It ended at its ratings' all-time-high.

Many thought that cancelling such a popular show was a very dumb idea. But look at how TNG is revered amongst Trek fans (I personally favor DS9, but that's not the most common position). In any event, the TNG series is the most-wanted for syndicated re-runs and enjoys high volumes of DVD sales I imagine (surely better than some of the other Star Treks).

Star Wars is (should be) only 6 movies. People watch them over and over again. If Terminator (TV series) stays short, sweet, and consequently - the best quality - we will miss it, but love the re-runs. Besides, how will Cameron "not ever age?" I know in Trek, they said that aging was part of Data's programming, but of what use would that be for a Terminator? She's a "long duration infiltration model?" Yeah, there's only so much bull the audience will buy.

Isn't Sarah supposed to die from Leukemia anyway? She'll have to be running out of time, too.

Then the show will be re-named Terminator: The Sarah Connor Obituaries.

But don't worry: SkyNet is only supposed to blow up the world in 2011.

[Kidhuman]

I also thought it was a nice homage when the Terminator told Sarah "Call to him" from T-2.

[OC47150]

Boy, the Conners got more banged up in 40 minutes than some characters do during a whole season!

Good Cameron/bad Cameron. Guess we'll be wondering all season long.

And Shirley Mason transforming from the urnial! WOW!!!!!

[Tycho]

If only that guy whipped it out a little faster, hehe.

[Mad Slanted Powers]

Boy, the Conners got more banged up in 40 minutes than some characters do during a whole season!

Good Cameron/bad Cameron. Guess we'll be wondering all season long.

And Shirley Mason transforming from the urnial! WOW!!!!!Good episode indeed. I didn't realize the lady from that Trash band was going to be in the show.

[jedibear]

Wow. I'll have to watch it again this weekend because I was NOT impressed.
Garbage lady is a TERRIBLE actress. I did NOT like the shark-jumping line of Cameron saying "I love you John"...ugh. And poor John...he's so upset he's got to....lock himself in the bathroom and (wait for it)...cut his hair? I don't know...I really liked last season a lot...they put out some cool ideas that I hope get pursued this season, instead of offering even more unresolved plots and even more characters.

And I hope they don't start overusing the whole "homage" approach. An occasional line or visual cue is one thing once and a while, but this episode had too much of that...if I want to see or hear T2 again, I'll just watch that...

It was just the first episode of the season so....I'll watch it again and keep tuning in. I just hope this show doesn't fly off the rails like "Heroes" did last year....but time will tell.

[Mad Slanted Powers]

Wow. I'll have to watch it again this weekend because I was NOT impressed.
Garbage lady is a TERRIBLE actress. I did NOT like the shark-jumping line of Cameron saying "I love you John"...ugh. And poor John...he's so upset he's got to....lock himself in the bathroom and (wait for it)...cut his hair? I don't know...I really liked last season a lot...they put out some cool ideas that I hope get pursued this season, instead of offering even more unresolved plots and even more characters.

And I hope they don't start overusing the whole "homage" approach. An occasional line or visual cue is one thing once and a while, but this episode had too much of that...if I want to see or hear T2 again, I'll just watch that...

It was just the first episode of the season so....I'll watch it again and keep tuning in. I just hope this show doesn't fly off the rails like "Heroes" did last year....but time will tell.I thought Garbage lady was fine. What was wrong with the "I love you John" line? It sounded like the machine's attempt to pull at his emotions, and it certainly messed with his mind. Also, what is the problem with him cutting his hair? I don't really understand why he did it, but it didn't detract from the show.

Of course, I am one of the few that didn't have any issues with Heroes last year either.

[Tycho]

So I don't think John "did that girl." He brought her up to his room. She stayed the night. And she played with Lego?

She wasn't very hot in my opinion, btw. But then again, I guess she wasn't supposed to be. But man, he's gotta find out what else Cameron can do with her programming! She was so hot in that pool hall scene!

OK, Charlie owned(?) a house and now he's just leaving? Like you can get out of a house that easily these days.

I'm glad to see he's still going to be on the show. It looks like the Cromarte Terminator kidnaps his wife from the previews next week.

Does Sarah have a dialysis access that she had added to her arm? I see those all too often these days (didn't go that route for treatments myself - fortunately). But I don't understand what she'd need one for. Cancer is treated differently. And it's not like she could keep up a regular dialysis schedule and the treatment records that are needed with it if she is living on the run. Then again, I suppose Cameron can forge for her any identity and hack into any system to record her medical information under a new name. Pretty good healthcare plan, actually.

OK, so the actual plan by Skynet was to create itself out of nuclear reactor monitoring software? That way it might actually be installed when the Resistance fighters take over the plant in the future. There might be no way to know Skynet's going to be in their systems, spying on them - let alone creating itself there, versus in the military software, as it was in T3.

Theoretically, can't Skynet just send any Terminator back through time and create itself via download? Thus the only way to totally prevent judgement day would be to get all humanity to stop using computers and intelligent machines. It's a war that I don't think Sarah could ever win.

[OC47150]

Did the girl remind you a little of Claire from Lost?

It was an okay episode. It was organized odd, IMO. Finding the new house and new temp jobs so quickly.

Sarah's cancer will come up from time to time, I believe.

I do like Lena Headley. She shows strength and vulnerability at the same time.

[Kidhuman]

I wonder if Riley was the red head Terminator.

[Tycho]

I wonder if Riley was the red head Terminator.

No way. You really think she could be? I think she would have tried to kill John then - unless Skynet needs him alive to do something first...

The Termamatrix could kill Riley and replace her at some point, though. That would be tragic and jerk at our heartstrings. But I don't think it will happen for a while.

[Lord Malakite]

So did I miss anything worthwhile from this week's episode? Crappy Ike (or what was left of it anyway) knocked out power through a good portion of Ohio. So I've been in the dark since Sunday afternoon till about 3 PM Tuesday.

[Qui-Long Gone]

I thought there was a nice use of the liquid terminatrix showing up in the end.

It was sort of a slow episode. Who was that guy who showed up from the future, wounded?

I hope Cameron is evil, I hate good guy terminators.....

I think John's new girlfriend is also evil. Sometime stuff like that gets really predictable on TV.

[Tycho]

So did I miss anything worthwhile from this week's episode?

Cameron wore a short skirt and a revealing top. :love:

I don't remember what else happened before or after that. j/k

[Devo]

I know in Trek, they said that aging was part of Data's programming, but of what use would that be for a Terminator? She's a "long duration infiltration model?" Yeah, there's only so much bull the audience will buy.

I didn't know that about Data. I assumed we were just supposed to pretend he looked the same in Star Trek Nemesis as he did in the first episode of TNG - like the main vampires in Buffy and Angel.

But y'know your 'long duration infiltration model' isn't what I'd call bull. One of my made-up theories about how T3 Arnold quite obviously looks older than T1 Arnold is that the T3 one hadn't been "refreshed" and "rejuvenated" with new living tissue - and that the flesh used on Terminators actually does age. I think its perfectly plausible - unfortunately T3 didn't address it at all - ie. we the audience were supposed to pretend along with Nick Stahl that he looked exactly the same. This needn't have been the case, I think the idea of ageing Terminator skin is perfectly acceptable.

[sith_killer_99]

So I don't think John "did that girl." He brought her up to his room. She stayed the night. And she played with Lego?

She wasn't very hot in my opinion, btw. But then again, I guess she wasn't supposed to be.

She's not "hot" in the traditional sense. She had the whole "bohemian" angle going for her which is always very sexy.

OK, so the actual plan by Skynet was to create itself out of nuclear reactor monitoring software? That way it might actually be installed when the Resistance fighters take over the plant in the future. There might be no way to know Skynet's going to be in their systems, spying on them - let alone creating itself there, versus in the military software, as it was in T3.

Theoretically, can't Skynet just send any Terminator back through time and create itself via download? Thus the only way to totally prevent judgement day would be to get all humanity to stop using computers and intelligent machines. It's a war that I don't think Sarah could ever win.

It's not that simple. In many cases it would be like trying to load OS X on a PC or Windows Vista on a PC from 1995...not gonna happen, too many compatibility issues. Any computer with the ability to become self-aware would have to have the "minimum system requirements". Hence the issue we saw with the Terminator chip from T2. Dyson declared it was more advance than anything he had ever seen.

Theoretically there are computers in existence today (post 1997 original Judgement Day) capable of handling such programing, but the theme seems to be that anything capable of processing that much data requires networked computer systems (more processing capability) as opposed to stand alone computers.

The TURK was supposed to represent the first stand alone computer with the ability to begin the process of self-awareness, but even that represented only a baby step.

[Tycho]

Interesting stuff about computers, Sith_Killer.


She's not "hot" in the traditional sense. She had the whole "bohemian" angle going for her which is always very sexy.

In your opinion, but not mine. :yes:

I'm only usually about the Victoria's Secrets catalog women - and I'm just not that forgiving.

[sith_killer_99]

Another good episode. I can't believe they killed Penny Widmore...I mean Michelle Dixon, after all of that, she died?!?!

Anyway, the preview seemed much more exciting than most of this episode. What's up with Cameron?!?!?

I guess we'll all have to tune in next week to find out.

I suspect it has to do with her connection to John...in a BIG way. I also suspect it has to do with her declaration of love and her seemingly jealous nature towards females and John's behavior and actions around this new girl.

Off the top of my head I would guess that Skynet was experimenting with some kind of new programing that would allow Terminators to emulate true emotions. That would make for a much better Terminator in terms of mission accomplishment, but it may also raise other issues.

In the Terminator story there has always been this underlying current of "how far can the envelope be pushed?" "can a machine have a soul?" "can they ever be true life forms?" etc. Arnie in T2 "I know now why you cry, that is something I can never do."

Maybe Cameron was the next step in the machine evolution.

Anyway, I guess we will see.

Who knows I could just be full of shi!.

[Tycho]

I loved the show tonight. Michelle Dixon was never an important character in the show really, but her death was keenly felt. Nice job on the writing, directing, and acting.

Derek Reese is my favorite character. How about you guys? That guy is just cool. Makes you think how awesome Kyle would've been had he lived. Kyle was very cool, too.

Cromarte is really sharp - and viciously creative. I wonder what he will come up next. And it seems like the Termamatrix wants to use Agent Ellison to track Cromarte down. Did I get that right? Now the question is "why?"

[Kidhuman]

Not sure if she meant Cromarte or Cameron, she just said find another one.

[sith_killer_99]

Not sure if she meant Cromarte or Cameron

I got the feeling she was talking about Cromarte, it seemed to make the most sense, considering agent Ellison knows Cromarte. I don't think he would move against the Connor's or Cameron. Why, does indeed seem to be the big question here.

Derek is a great character, but Cromarte is becoming my favorite character in the show. It's close.

Cameron is also an excellent character, I can't wait to see the back story!:thumbsup:

[Qui-Long Gone]

I liked the episode, but I couldn't buy into them saving Dixon....I mean, why? Why risk John's life to save her, especially knowing that Cromarte is out there still? It just does make sense to sacrifice the hero of the future, no matter the cause.....I doubt the Linda Hamilton Sarah Connor of T2 would have done that.....

I love that a terminator has a name, Cromarte.

How hilarious was that Beast Master spoof they kept showing of Cromarte? :thumbsup:

[sith_killer_99]

How hilarious was that Beast Master spoof they kept showing of Cromarte?

Pretty freakin' hilarious. I wonder how Mark Singer took it?

[Kidhuman]

Actually, that guy isnt Cromarte, the teacher from the first epsiode overall was Cromarte, they just keep calling him that.

[Tycho]

Well, it's the same Terminator or T-888, but now he looks like Lasreau (spelling). Yeah, at first he was Cromarte, so the Connors just call him that. They've never heard of Lasreau before (until John caught that newscast about all the FBI guys being killed in the raid). Ellison knows Cromarte as Lasreau: "I need reconstructive surgery." LOL. This show is great!

[Qui-Long Gone]

I guess now we can call him the Beast Master? :D

[OC47150]

How hilarious was that Beast Master spoof they kept showing of Cromarte? :thumbsup:

Tycho's right: Michelle wasn't an important character. Charlie has more history with the Connors than her. Her death will make Charlie stay in the storyline a little longer.

Derek was running around with an M-79 grenade launcher. That was cool but not effective. You need XX amount of yardage before the grenade becomes active and he didn't have that in the building.

[Kidhuman]

I just noticed tonight while my kid was watching season 1 of Heroes that John was in it. He played Claires friend Zack who was taping her.

[Qui-Long Gone]

I just noticed tonight while my kid was watching season 1 of Heroes that John was in it. He played Claires friend Zack who was taping her.


I noticed that too....maybe the Heroes can come save the Connors from the future, although Hiro or Peter would probably screw it up!



**I thought you said tapping her! :D:D:D:D

[OC47150]

Good episode. It was different yet interesting to see Cameron's background. I could go for more episodes like that.

A Derek-free episode, too.

[Devo]

Everyone, looks like its gonna be cancelled. Something about it dragging down the numbers tuning in to prison break and audiences not connecting with it, notably in the age bracket they were aiming it at.

[OC47150]

I, too, read that. There was an article (a brief one) in the current Entertainment Weekly. Thomas Dekker (John) hopes they can make it through football season, when Monday Night Football is over. He thinks part of their audience is watching football.

[Devo]

Well if theres already been a printed article that may explain why a guy in another forum called me a retard, albeit not excusing it.

[OC47150]

It was in the Q&A section of Entertainment Weekly, maybe three graphs at the most.

[tagmac]

Here's a possibility I was thinking of, regarding John's new girlfriend (who was sadly MIA from the last episode). While some have speculated that she's a Terminator, I'm thinking she could very well be another resistance fighter from the future sent back to keep an eye on John as well. It would certainly lend credence to the looks that Cameron was giving her.

[Tycho]

Uggh. I don't want this show cancelled!

Why don't they move it to another night or timeslot before they cancel it?

Remember how a letter-writing campaign saved Star Trek? Maybe it's time to start The Resistance!

[Devo]

Yeah. At least get a few TV movies out of it so things don't have to be rushed to a conclusion. I'm thinking Farscape and Firefly, 2 shows killed before their time that at least had some chance to not be over so abruptly with tv movies for the former and a film for the latter.

I just don't understand why there isn't an audience for SCC - yet there was for Stargate. Terminator is and was a more well known classic film series yet a show based on a one-off decent film runs for 10years and gets what, 2 spin-offs?

[Tycho]

It would be stupid to cancel this show with the T4 movie coming out.

You know that will just further stoke the fires of fandom and drive viewership on as more and more people want more and more Terminator.

Is SkyNet computing any of this? I have no doubt it's smarter than FOX.

[Kidhuman]

Well, baseball playoffs are coming up the next few weeks, should go through mid October to Novemeber. Then its only 6 weeks until the end of football, but shows go into repeats then and American Idol will start coming on. The show will be saved.

[Blue2th]

If they are gonna cancel anything it should be Prison Break.
I watch Sara Connor Chronicles, then I flip over to NBC and watch Heroes. That's a no-brainer for me.
Prison Break doesn't have a chance against Heroes, and the story line is running out of good ideas.

It would be hard for any show to compete against Monday Night Football. It's simply unfair to give a show bad ratings when up against that. If anything both SCC and Heroes could be moved to another night.

[Tycho]

Prison Break should have been a 1-2 season show regarding the breakout from ONE prison and that should have been it.

I saw an episode here and there, but was recovering from my hospital ordeal and didn't get hooked on any new programs really, as I had to sleep.

But what I saw would have been great for a mini-series.

Having the characters be repeatedly incarcerated everywhere else in the world and then be on some mission to break out of the next jail really struck me as improbable and ridiculous.

Sarah Connor Chronicles could have a 6 year run, based on Sarah's original life expectancy and John's age. (T2 supposedly took place in 1991 or 1992, and Sarah was supposed to die from leukemia in 1997. I know Cameron took them on a time jump to 2007, so Sarah would conceivably live until 2013. John was 13 in T2 and maybe 19 or 20 in T3 - which I know doesn't "count" now because of Cameron. However, going this route, with a 6 year run for the show, fits the lives of John and Sarah in between other Terminator installments quite perfectly, no matter what movies you count as 'cannon' etc. Pretty brilliant creative decision to begin with if you ask me.)

Oh, and then Christian Bale as John Connor will fight the Future War as he is maybe 10 years after T3, with Bale being in his early 30's I think (if he's older, he'll logically look so as the result of nuclear fall-out, hehe).

Hey, on SCC, John should dress up as Batman for Halloween. :lipsrsealed:

- Just an inside joke. But I'm serious in that it would be funny for the comic book fans.

[Qui-Long Gone]

Leave it to Fox to find an excuse for killing a good show. Can't they just send it to Sci-Fi for adoption? What a cruel parent Fox would be....

[Darth Metalmute]

Don't forget, that this is the same network, FOX, that cancelled Reunion with no muderer revealed as well as cancelling Fastlane with Tiffani Thiessen being drugged up by her captor. I won't put any fast/harsh moves behind them.

[DarkArtist]

love this show. Summer Glau is Hot.

[DarkArtist]

Everyone, looks like its gonna be cancelled. Something about it dragging down the numbers tuning in to prison break and audiences not connecting with it, notably in the age bracket they were aiming it at.

oh i so hope this is a misprint. i would be bummed if the show is cancelled

[OC47150]

Rating issues are affecting a lot of Monday-night shows.

http://www.darkhorizons.com/news08/081001c.php

I hope Terminator does stay, but everyone knows Fox's past record.

And I liked Fast Lane, too.

[Mad Slanted Powers]

Rating issues are affecting a lot of Monday-night shows.

http://www.darkhorizons.com/news08/081001c.php

I hope Terminator does stay, but everyone knows Fox's past record.

And I liked Fast Lane, too.I had no interest in Fast Lane and was upset when they cancelled Firefly and put Fast Lane in its place. I also stopped watching G4TV for a while because whenever I turned it on it was either Fast Lane, Cops or The Man Show.

Monday is a busy TV night for me. I watched Chuck and Heroes and recorded Prison Break and Terminator. I'll probably check out My Own Worst Enemy when it premieres as well.

Having the characters be repeatedly incarcerated everywhere else in the world and then be on some mission to break out of the next jail really struck me as improbable and ridiculous.Actually, the whole thing has been manipulated by The Company. The first season was breaking out. The second season they were on the run. The third season they were stuck in a prison in Panama, but it had something to do with an inmate the Company was interested in. Now they are working to try and take down the Company. I think that they should probably try and wrap that up in this season or the next and then call it quits.

[Tycho]

Ah, but The Company is trying to capture an alien to use in its bio-weapons experiments and they have a lead that's locating one on the prison planet Fury 157. This time it must not escape! Classified information also suggests that Flight Officer Lt. Hellen Ripley could possibly be impregnated with a Queen!

I see there being possibilities for Prison Break to have another season...

Or am I getting confused? :crazed:

[Lord Malakite]

Looks like Skynet has won (http://www.endofshow.com/2008/10/02/exclusive-terminator-gets-yes-terminated/).

A source on “Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles” has told End Of Show that no new episode scripts have been ordered by FOX, beyond the 13 already written. This will force the show to shut down production shortly. ”To say we’re on the brink of cancellation is polite”, our source says.


Normally, when a show shuts production it is not announced to the media — an example is 2007’s FOX series “Drive”, which closed production 2 days after the first episode aired but was not announced in Variety for a further 9 days as cancelled.



This is because a network doesn’t want an audience to turn off whilst the remaining episodes are aired. In the end, Fox opted not to air several produced episodes of “Drive”, replacing it with House repeats. (Which rated higher). The episodes eventually aired online via FOX’s Myspace portal.


Our source tells us the cast contracts expire in short order, which means producing a 13 episode series this year and then returning next Fall is not an option due to the cost of renewing the cast and not producing episodes. Additionally, it does not make finance sense to return when a series is averaging just over 5 million viewers.


T:SCC premiered January of this year with 18.6 million viewers — which set a record for FOX at the time — and promptly fell to an average of 11.4 million for the series. Monday’s episode clocked just 5.53 million viewers, putting the show in absolute freefall, with just 5% of the 18-49 demographic. “Audiences just aren’t responding to the show,” a Fox source tells SyFy Portal. “Our biggest surprise are the 18-to-49s [a key advertising demographic], those numbers are in the toilet.”

The ratings now fall in line with FOX’s “Drive”, which as mentioned ceased production almost immediately and stopped airing shortly after. T:SCC is a fairly expensive show to produce, and additionally wasn’t produced with sister studio 20th Century Fox.



The show had significant marketing weight thrown behind it in January, using the budget allocated for “24″ (which was pushed back a year) for a widespread marketing campaign.


Taking over the timeslot from January, FOX have penciled in Joss Whedon’s upcoming drama “Dollhouse“.

The resistence has not given up all hope in the fight to save man from extinction though. They wish to pull a Jericho on the machines in charge of Fox with one last desperation move: Operation Pancake Mix (http://cameronandjohn.com/2008/09/19/operation-pancake-mix/).

[Tycho]

Summer Glau is so beautiful. What will I do if I can't watch her every week?

[Mad Slanted Powers]

I'm interested in watching Dollhouse, but I doubt it will fair any better in that time slot. I read that they have reworked that series already.

[Blue2th]

Ah, but The Company is trying to capture an alien to use in its bio-weapons experiments and they have a lead that's locating one on the prison planet Fury 157. This time it must not escape! Classified information also suggests that Flight Officer Lt. Hellen Ripley could possibly be impregnated with a Queen!

I see there being possibilities for Prison Break to have another season...

Or am I getting confused? :crazed:

Where ever there is a prison break needed, we send in our prison break specialists. :rolleyes:

[Tycho]

From the original Prison Break: :cool:

"The droids belong to her. She's the one in the message. We got to help her!"

"The old man said to wait right here."

"But he didn't know she was here. Look: if we can just find a way into that DETENTION BLOCK..."

"I'm not going anywhere!"

"But they're going to kill her!"

"Better her than me!"

"She's rich."

"Rich?"

"Rich. Powerful. Look: if you could rescue her the reward would be more wealth than you could imagine!"

[Phantom-like Menace]

I really don't want to see this show go. I've tuned in every week and have enjoyed it quite a bit. In fact, I swore off any FOX show other than Family Guy, because I deplore how that network treats shows I like, but Terminator made me make an exception. Ironic that I'll get stung again when they cancel it.

I've liked Summer Glau since Firefly, and I'm trying to make the case that it's okay to watch another show on FOX since I'm supporting a Firefly alum.

Monday nights for me are really bad for trying to watch things. I've got The Big Band Theory and How I Met Your Mother on CBS, Heroes and Chuck on NBC (I was watching Life Mondays, but they moved it), and Terminator on FOX. My dad's watching Monday night football, and everyone else also watches Dancing With the Stars.

In comparison, for the entire rest of the week, I'll watch Pushing Daisies on Wednesday, Life, Stargate: Atlantis, and Clone Wars on Friday, and USA's Burn Notice on Thursdays.

It always seems markedly asinine to decide within three episodes to cancel something. What in the hell is the logic there? It always seems like you just put out the initial investment and just flush that straight down the toilet.

[Lord Malakite]

Monday nights for me are really bad for trying to watch things. I've got The Big Band Theory and How I Met Your Mother on CBS, Heroes and Chuck on NBC (I was watching Life Mondays, but they moved it), and Terminator on FOX. My dad's watching Monday night football, and everyone else also watches Dancing With the Stars.

In comparison, for the entire rest of the week, I'll watch Pushing Daisies on Wednesday, Life, Stargate: Atlantis, and Clone Wars on Friday, and USA's Burn Notice on Thursdays.

I'll agree with that statement. Mondays I have to contend with Terminator, Heroes, Prison Break, CSI: Miami and Boston Legal. If I had cable I'd also have to contend with Power Rangers on that day.

Thursdays are also kind of bad. Survivor, CSI, Supernatural and ER.

Sunday I have syndicated Stargate: Atlantis in the early afternoon and later at night Simpsons, King of the Hill, Family Guy and American Dad, but that is hardly an issue as they are all Fox.

Rest of the week is relatively quiet though. Tuesday Fringe and maybe NOVA/NOVA Science Now. Wednesday CSI: NY and maybe Secrets of the Dead. Friday nothing (though I'm certain Stargate: Atlantis and Clone Wars would be on there if I had cable). Saturday morning Power Rangers (on about a 5 to 7 week delay from their "new/debut episode" cable airings) and Ninja Turtles.

[Blue2th]

I'll agree with that statement. Mondays I have to contend with Terminator, Heroes, Prison Break, CSI: Miami and Boston Legal. If I had cable I'd also have to contend with Power Rangers on that day.

Thursdays are also kind of bad. Survivor, CSI, Supernatural and ER.

Sunday I have syndicated Stargate: Atlantis in the early afternoon and later at night Simpsons, King of the Hill, Family Guy and American Dad, but that is hardly an issue as they are all Fox.

Rest of the week is relatively quiet though. Tuesday Fringe and maybe NOVA/NOVA Science Now. Wednesday CSI: NY and maybe Secrets of the Dead. Friday nothing (though I'm certain Stargate: Atlantis and Clone Wars would be on there if I had cable). Saturday morning Power Rangers (on about a 5 to 7 week delay from their "new/debut episode" cable airings) and Ninja Turtles.
That's still a lot, and you don't even have cable. Well, I don't either. The relatives sit on their a*ses and get lazy, don't do anything, not paying for it so I shut it off (the TV part)
There's plenty of shows on network TV to watch though without it.
There's lots of shows I would like to see on cable, especially Clone Wars, Top Chef, and re-runs of Star Trek, Science and History etc., but nobody around here likes what I like anyways, so f*ck it. If I miss a show now I catch it on the web a week later.

Sundays:
Simpsons, Family Guy and American Dad, sometimes Nova reruns if I miss it.
Mondays:
Sara Connor Chronicles, Heroes
Tuesday: Fringe, Nova (if I'm not rehearsing with my band)
Thursday: CSI

[Tycho]

Wow. That's a lot of TV guys. I have 5 shows in the entire week, and I think that's a huge amount of TV for me. I used to have only 3.

Now it's:

Mon - Terminator
Tue - The Shield
Wed - Sons of Anarchy
Thu - Smallville
Fri - Clone Wars

Though I also watch some CNN, MSNBC, and FOX News to compare each channel's propoganda, and C-SPAN to see my government actually work (or not).

[Jedi_Master_Guyute]

well, time to delete my series recording i have on my DVR as there isn't much reason to watch it anymore. Stupid Fox. :upset:

[Tycho]

I wouldn't give up on it now. Also: the more we all support it while it's still on the air, isn't there the greater chance they might still run with it?

[Lord Malakite]

Wow. That's a lot of TV guys. I have 5 shows in the entire week, and I think that's a huge amount of TV for me. I used to have only 3.

Now it's:

Mon - Terminator
Tue - The Shield
Wed - Sons of Anarchy
Thu - Smallville
Fri - Clone Wars

That is another show I'd probably watch if I had cable, The Shield. Yeah, it is kind of a lot in total, but spread out over the week it doesn't really seem like it is that much. It comes out to be about 2 and a half hours a day. That really isn't all that much considering, aside from maybe Jeopardy, I don't watch anything else in the general sense (game shows, news, talk shows, Soaps, etc.) but those specific shows on my list. I also watch LOST, but by the time it starts up the other shows on my list are done (or close to being done) for the season.

And that list is about to get much smaller soon. This is Stargate: Atlantis, ER and Boston Legal's last season, so after this season I'll be done with ER and Boston Legal (and next season I'll be done with Atlantis since syndicated episodes are one season behind the current cable season). I also think they confirmed that this is King of the Hill's last season (so thats another show gone). If they indeed cancel Terminator that will be another show. And of course this is The Shield's last season (so if I could watch that show) that would be another one to cross off. And LOST only has two more seasons and it'll be done.

That leaves Simpsons, Family Guy, American Dad, CSI, CSI: Miami, CSI: NY, Heroes, Prison Break, Supernatural, Fringe, Power Rangers and Ninja Turtles as definates. And NOVA/NOVA Science Now and Secrets of the Dead as possibilities. So that is 11 and a half hours total, which works out to be just a little over an hour and a half a day. :D

I wouldn't give up on it now. Also: the more we all support it while it's still on the air, isn't there the greater chance they might still run with it?
Anything is possible I suppose. No one thought they would bring back Jericho after its first cancellation and they did. Then you have the Family Guy thing where they were off the air for 2 or 3 seasons before they came back. Probably not likely, but who knows.

[sith_killer_99]

Hmmm.....I can't even keep up, but here is a general idea.

Monday - Terminator, Heroes, Chuck (just staring this series), and looking into Life, Torchwood
Tuesday - Fringe, The Shield
Wednesday - Bones
Thursday - The Office, Smallville, Supernatural
Friday - Sanctuary, Clone Wars, Stargate Atlantis
Saturday - Catch up
Sunday - Dexter, Californication, True Blood

It's gotten a little out of control.;):twisted:

I also enjoy CSI (multi-flavor), Weeds, BBC America (Dr. Who, Sarah Jane, Torchwood, Life on Mars...looking into Eleventh Hour), Mythbusters, Miami Ink, LA Ink, and misc. science/history/conspiracy (debunking) shows.

MIA, looking forward to their returns:

24
Battlestar Galactica
LOST
Burn Notice

[Tycho]

Terminator was awesome tonight with a showdown with a T-888 at a military academy right by where I live. (I don't think that place exists or I would have heard of it - they probably shot that show at Camp Pendleton (Marine Corps). It looked like it.

Anyway, there was a lot to do for Derek Reese - my favorite character. And John was way cool in this show and I could see him becoming the man he's foretold to be. The other kid (in the Academy) was very cool, too.

Sarah reading The Wizard of Oz against the killing field backdrop was disturbing while very creative. Kudos to the writers!

[OC47150]

I do enjoy it when the show depicts the future.

I was wondering, since last night's show was a big commerical for Dodge, do the Connors steal a vehicle whenever they need one? No one works to afford the payments on the big Ram truck.

[Ando]

Terminator was awesome tonight with a showdown with a T-888 at a military academy... Sarah reading The Wizard of Oz against the killing field backdrop was disturbing while very creative. Kudos to the writers!

Tycho, did you catch the connection with John and Derek's fake last name, "Baum".

L. Frank Baum wrote "The Wonderful Wizard of Oz".

[Tycho]

If I wasn't mistaken, Paul BAUM was the lead character in "All Quiet on the Western Front," a WWI story about the horrors of warfare.

That's what I was thinking. I didn't know that a Baum wrote TWoO.

And I don't think the Connors have to steal trucks or anything. Cameron can hack into any bank and create an account and credit history for any ficticious name they want: Baum, etc. Plus Sarah knew folks like Enirque who could create false identities for her as well.

I'd say Cameron is best at it though.

[Phantom-like Menace]

I enjoyed this week's episode quite a bit. Too little of Cameron in it, though. I flashed to games of Halo when Reese shot the T-888 in the head at close range with the sniper rifle: "Dude, he totally no-scoped him!" I knew we would find out Bedel died in the future, but I was waiting for Reese to tell John that he was the guy who got his stomach blasted open and was carried to the aid station by John's father.

This is Stargate: Atlantis, ER and Boston Legal's last season

I didn't know Atlantis was on its way out. I'm not overly surprised. I've only watched the Stargate programs out of habit ever since Richard Dean Anderson left the show. Atlantis has been coasting more or less for the last couple of seasons, and I've never really gotten on board with the Wraith. Actually, I missed a great deal of the episodes between Weir and Carter as expedition lead and I really can't say I'm too upset.

[jonthejedi]

Another really good, solidly written episode(one of my favorites of season 2). I love the Future War stuff, so keep it coming! TV Guide claims this week the ratings are really slipping since season 1. The fate of T:SCC doesn't look promising.

[Lord Malakite]

I didn't know Atlantis was on its way out. I'm not overly surprised. I've only watched the Stargate programs out of habit ever since Richard Dean Anderson left the show. Atlantis has been coasting more or less for the last couple of seasons, and I've never really gotten on board with the Wraith. Actually, I missed a great deal of the episodes between Weir and Carter as expedition lead and I really can't say I'm too upset.
Yeah, they announced it just a few weeks back that this would be Atlantis' last season. This won't be the end of the Stargate saga though. The following day after announcing that Atlantis would be cancelled after this season is done they announced that a new Stargate show is already in the works for next year: Stargate Universe. They also made it clear that were already in the planning stages of continuing (and hopefully concluding the major storylines) of Atlantis in "direct to DVD" movies like they did with SG-1.

[Tycho]

My brother pointed out some things about T:TSCC.

It debuted in the spring of '08 with barely any competition due to the writers' strike. It was new and of course a smash hit - as it should be. But it really had no competition.

It is a show for men ages 18-49 or so - a major TV demographic.

Men ages 18-49 are strongly inclined to watch NFL.

On Monday nights in the FALL, T:TSCC goes up directly against Monday Night Football.

Maybe a majority does NOT have a DVR - or maybe it only counts if people watch the show live so they can see all the truck commercials. The ads support the show.

But if they kept the show on during the SPRING, or even decided to run the show ONLY in the SPRING, maybe they'd have a much different viewership response.

The show is QUALITY. No one here or on any other boards I've seen is disputing that.

So FOX is idiotic if they don't change the viewing night or even the viewing season (if they want to keep it on Mondays).

They should never scrap this show!

[stillakid]

The show is QUALITY. No one here or on any other boards I've seen is disputing that.



Uh, I did. I was out after episode 2 or 3, I think it was. I gave them a fair chance, but when that Terminator went looking for his own head, I was out. Stupid lame nonsense.

[RooJay]

Weird, I could have sworn I'd got in on this thread at the beginning and actually came here looking for a reason why no one seemed to be talking about it! I absolutely love this show, and am actually quite bummed that it seems to be struggling in the ratings right now. It really does seem to get better and better with every episode, and I thought it started out really strong! Of course, we all know how much Fox hates good shows! Tis one was doomed from the start I imagine.

If I wasn't mistaken, Paul BAUM was the lead character in "All Quiet on the Western Front," a WWI story about the horrors of warfare.

That's what I was thinking. I didn't know that a Baum wrote TWoO.

And I don't think the Connors have to steal trucks or anything. Cameron can hack into any bank and create an account and credit history for any ficticious name they want: Baum, etc. Plus Sarah knew folks like Enirque who could create false identities for her as well.

I'd say Cameron is best at it though.

So you only think they're stealing money, and just buy their vehicles with stolen cash? I'd just always assumed that they have plenty of those diamonds tucked away from last season.

[Qui-Long Gone]

Stupid lame nonsense.

The fact that there's an unstoppable machine sent from the future looking to kill a boy who will bring down Skynet...

or that the same machine was so unstoppable, it could even function without a head? :D


*Your comment reminded me of the time I saw the Two Towers with my in-laws and they told me that the film was believable up until trees started attacking Isengard! lol I guess for them the dwarves and hobbits and goblins and levitating flaming eye were realistic enough, but not talking shrubbery!

[Tycho]

Uh, I did. I was out after episode 2 or 3, I think it was. I gave them a fair chance, but when that Terminator went looking for his own head, I was out. Stupid lame nonsense.

That was funny to me actually. It begs the question of whether a Terminator has 2 CPUs (or 3 really). Cameron seemed to indicate there is a backup in the skull (2 CPUs) and then I guess there's another in the chest (the 3rd). In ROTS, Grievous' bodyguards must have had at least 2 (1 in the chest) as when Obi-Wan sliced that Magnadroid's head off, (on the Invisible Hand), it still came after him (without its head).

Now this speculation doesn't prove much except that Obi-Wan Kenobi is a far more capable warrior than either Connor or Derek Reese, but the Force is Kenobi's ally. Uh-huh!

Also, when the Terminator got its skin back and changed his appearance from Cromarte to Lazreau (spelling), it was all pretty much gross fun. "I need reconstructive surgery."

That was a classic moment in the show that wouldn't have been possible without the Cromarte Terminator being able to function without a head.

So, some people can gripe about that and change the channel. I am very glad to be able to watch, laugh, and smile along with it all. That's fulfilling and healthy. I wished Clone Wars could do that for me. But it's not. So that really illustrates the principle "to each, their own." For me, I love T:TSCC!

[Lord Malakite]

A show status update from Fox's blog page (http://fox.com/blogs/terminator/2008/10/09/status-update/).

Because so many of you, our most devoted fans, have been asking, we wanted to set the record straight!

While the fate of the show past production on episode thirteen is still unclear, FOX has given us the go-ahead to write two more additional episodes for this season — fourteen and fifteen.

We are hard at work writing those episodes and await news of a potential pickup for the full “back nine” (additional episodes to complete the season) in the near future. We’re crossing our fingers (and dotting our i’s) that we’ll have more good news to share with you soon…

In the meantime, keep tuning in! Get your friends interested! And thanks for all of your support.

There was also a report that so many people were trying to watch Monday's episode online on Tuesday morning that it overloaded Fox's server.

[Phantom-like Menace]

There was also a report that so many people were trying to watch Monday's episode online on Tuesday morning that it overloaded Fox's server.

Yeah, suck it FOX. Maybe I should start a computer trying to watch it on Tuesday morning but watch it in comfort on another computer on Hulu at a different time.

[Tycho]

Maybe you should start a computer that will build machines to destroy stupid people at the FOX network. It would be appropriately named SuckNet.

[Ando]

I hope T: TSCC doesn't join the list of great hows prematurely killed by Fox:

Arrested Development

Action

The Tick

Firefly

[Blue2th]

Maybe you should start a computer that will build machines to destroy stupid people at the FOX network. It would be appropriately named SuckNet.
I would invest in that.:thumbsup:

The online server being overloaded on Tuesday just goes to show that T-SCC is competing with Monday Night Football.

[RooJay]

I hope T: TSCC doesn't join the list of great hows prematurely killed by Fox:

Arrested Development

Action

The Tick

Firefly

You forgot about the most egregious of Fox's early cancellations (next to Arrested Development, that is) - FUTURAMA! It still boggles my mind that they eventually saw the error of their ways and actually brought back Family Guy, and yet they never bothered to try bringing back the better of the two!

[Phantom-like Menace]

Maybe you should start a computer that will build machines to destroy stupid people at the FOX network. It would be appropriately named SuckNet.

If SuckNet will build a Summer Glau robot for future me to reprogram and send back to present me (you know, to . . . protect me, yeah, that's the ticket), and it destroys FOX, I can only see this going very well.

[stillakid]

The fact that there's an unstoppable machine sent from the future looking to kill a boy who will bring down Skynet...

or that the same machine was so unstoppable, it could even function without a head? :D


*Your comment reminded me of the time I saw the Two Towers with my in-laws and they told me that the film was believable up until trees started attacking Isengard! lol I guess for them the dwarves and hobbits and goblins and levitating flaming eye were realistic enough, but not talking shrubbery!


Well, look, in any story, there are certain "rules" established that the audience accepts or rejects from the outset. The Terminator rules were established very clearly by Cameron's Terminator and T2. T3 tossed out the careful continuity and the Sarah Connor Chronicles ignored everything.

So while I understand your sentiment above, my type of dissatisfaction is not without justification. Once we accept the rules of a story, the story and further stories have to adhere to those rules within that established universe. So, T1 established that a Terminator can be killed. It takes quite a lot, but it can be done by crushing it or dismembering it. T2 showed us that the CPU is in the head.

Sarah Connor Chronicles showed us a Terminator that was beheaded and then ripped a page from a dumb zombie movie by having the Terminator take a living human head as a disguise while it found it's own original head and put it back on.

Puh-lease. I'm in on the Terminator mythology, but zombie Terminators don't fly on any reasonable standard. And what's worse, they didn't have to go there.

[sith_killer_99]

Sarah Connor Chronicles showed us a Terminator that was beheaded and then ripped a page from a dumb zombie movie by having the Terminator take a living human head as a disguise while it found it's own original head and put it back on.

Puh-lease. I'm in on the Terminator mythology, but zombie Terminators don't fly on any reasonable standard. And what's worse, they didn't have to go there.

I have to agree, that whole scenario bothered me. It was lazy writting, especially considering that they established in the show that other Terminators have been sent back in time. They should have just set up an encounter with a different Terminator.

However, despite the obvious glaring error, I still love the show, it has good special effects and they do a great job with character development.:thumbsup:

[Tycho]

I think the writers found the zombie Terminator idea "fun."

I did as well. Remember that in T1 and T2, that was a T-800. Maybe T-888's have backup CPUs. It'd make sense - at least as an excuse to let the writers have "fun" with zombie Terminators if that's where they wanted to go.

[sith_killer_99]

I did as well. Remember that in T1 and T2, that was a T-800. Maybe T-888's have backup CPUs. It'd make sense - at least as an excuse to let the writers have "fun" with zombie Terminators if that's where they wanted to go

It would except for one problem. The episode "Vic's chip" comes to mind. Cameron shut down "Vic" by removing his CPU, a single CPU located in his head, had there been a backup CPU Vic would have reactivated and tried to kill everyone. Vic was a T-888, just like Cromartie.

I even toyed with the idea that there was some kind of wireless transmitter and receiver system to explain the irregularity. This doesn't play either, the head had no power to transmit instructions to the body, the eyes were dark the head was shut down. Then you have the body running around without any sense to direction, yet moving perfectly. It just didn't make sense.:(

[Lord Malakite]

Maybe T-888's have backup CPUs. It'd make sense - at least as an excuse to let the writers have "fun" with zombie Terminators if that's where they wanted to go.
I don't think T-888s have backup CPUs. If that were the case I'd doubt that removing their CPU chips from their heads as we have seen in the past would be as successful as it has been in stopping them.

I'd be more incline to believe that the T-888 has some sort of built-in temporary backup power source in the head (should said head become decapitated) & some sort of radio/Wi-Fi ability which allows the head to communicate/control the body wirelessly.

[Phantom-like Menace]

Maybe it's just not a stock T-Triple Eight.

It just occurred to me that in expressing confusion as to why a network would cancel a show inside of three episodes (though in this case, if it gets canceled, they gave it far more than that), I'm ignoring the fact that a distressing number of people can watch, for example, the first three episodes of Clone Wars and decide it sucks so much they can't bring themselves to stay tuned. Maybe I shouldn't be so hard on the networks.

[Tycho]

Terminator is back on with a new episode next week. The ballgame broadcast interrupted the show's regular hour tonight. That was planned as they said it would be at the end of Terminator last week.

There is also a gilmmer of hope out there that the show is not cancelled. And of course it will perform much better when football season is over.

[Blue2th]

Yay, next Monday, 'cause football, baseball, boooring Sidney.

[sith_killer_99]

Monday night just wasn't the same.

This week really showed me how horrible it would be if they canceled this show.:cry:

[Ando]

I missed seeing a new episode last night, too.

Monday's a big TV night in the Ando household. We have a DVR, so we record and watch most of our shows.

My wife and I watch Chuck & Terminator, and then when the Mrs. gets sleepy and goes to bed, I watch Heroes before I turn in.

[Qui-Long Gone]

I missed seeing a new episode last night, too.

Monday's a big TV night in the Ando household. We have a DVR, so we record and watch most of our shows.

My wife and I watch Chuck & Terminator, and then when the Mrs. gets sleepy and goes to bed, I watch Heroes before I turn in.

Sounds like the Ano family and Long Gone family have similar schedules!

[Mad Slanted Powers]

And now I have added My Own Worst Enemy to my Monday lineup of shows to watch.

[sith_killer_99]

And now I have added My Own Worst Enemy to my Monday lineup of shows to watch.

Yep, I recorded it on my DVR and watched it late last night. Monday nights are getting tight. Luckily for me I have 2 DVR's capable of recording 2 channels each!:D

[Kidhuman]

I also recorded My own worst enemy. Havent watched it yet though.

[Lord Malakite]

That leaves Simpsons, Family Guy, American Dad, CSI, CSI: Miami, CSI: NY, Heroes, Prison Break, Supernatural, Fringe, Power Rangers and Ninja Turtles as definates. And NOVA/NOVA Science Now and Secrets of the Dead as possibilities. So that is 11 and a half hours total, which works out to be just a little over an hour and a half a day. :D
Well, it looks like I can cross off another one of those shows come next season Tycho. Its now being reported that aside from a "special" airing in Spring 2009 (to celebrate the 25th anniversary) that TMNT: Back to the Sewers will be the last season of Ninja Turtles. In addition, stores like Wal-Mart are going to no longer carry the Playmates TMNT toyline (and have already begun the purging process).

[Lord Malakite]

Well, I got some good news (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=49837).

Sarah Connor Get a Full Season Order
Source: Variety October 19, 2008


Fox has just given a full-season order to "Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles," reports Variety. The cast and crew were informed of the decision late Friday.

Back-nine order was far from certain ad the show has been struggling in its Monday night timeslot. But "Sarah Connor" has developed a fan base and some positive critical attention along the way.

"Sarah Connor" was preempted last week due to baseball playoff coverage, but in its last airing, on Oct. 6, averaged a 2.3 rating and 6 share among adults 18-49, which was up slightly from the prior week.

The series stars Lena Headey, Thomas Dekker, Summer Glau, Brian Austin Green, Richard T. Jones, Garret Dillahunt, Leven Rambin and Shirley Manson.

[Phantom-like Menace]

It's nice to see it get a reprieve. I enjoyed last nights well enough and am looking forward to more. Sweetness!

[Tenric78]

This is good news. After they introduced the new chick last night, I turned to my buddy and said, "This series is going to get canceled with a ton of balls in the air and we're never going to get any resolution." So let's hope that some of this stuff gets resolved before the show is finally canceled. heh

[Kidhuman]

Thats great. Tycho has something to look forward to while reouping.

[Tycho]

Terminator's very important to me. Along with Star Wars, Star Trek, and Transformers, Terminator lies in the Top 4 "extreme-all-time" favorites of mine.

I basically mean the Terminator movies, but I've loved what they've done with this television show. It's very important that FOX continues it - especially due to the audience I anticipate it will pick up once Christian Bale's movie hits the screens next summer.

[Tenric78]

Yeah, I'm a big Terminator fan and any issues that I've had the show I've let go. I don't know why, but I'm much more forgiving when it comes to a TV series. I agree that if the show hangs on until the movie it might get a bigger audience because Terminator will be much more in the public consciousness again.

[OC47150]

Cameron wanted her jacket back.

The Ellison doppelganger at the beginning threw me for a loop...and then it made sense. I knew the fake cop was Shirley Manson.

[Phantom-like Menace]

The Ellison doppelganger at the beginning threw me for a loop...and then it made sense. I knew the fake cop was Shirley Manson.

I'm going to have to watch it again, but I'm still not sure what's going on there.

[Tycho]

I was surprised when Cameron shot the guys in the bowling alley. I like the show staying edgy like that.

The person in the bathroom that Sarah found: I guess that was a guy? He seemed very effeminate or at least having a strange, high voice. He was a different bit of casting.

That was tense when the Lavreau (first Cromarte) Terminator came into John's home.

Why again are the Connors living in Los Angeles? To fight? Right? I guess that's John's doing, because he fought with his mother about that. If they hid out in Antarctica until Judgement Day he might be safer. But yeah - they are actively trying to prevent Judgement Day.

[DarkArtist]

what happened at the end though. my DVR stopped recording and all i saw was cromratey talking with the kid from the bathroom saying how he promises Sarah Connor will not kill him. is that how it ends or was there more to it. is the kid killed afterward ?

[jonthejedi]

That was where it ended. Cameron was hardcore in that episode. I was truly shocked at how that went down.

[Tycho]

I don't remember the kid being killed. I hope that helped. But there'd have been no shock value one way or the other, as Cromarte is a bad Terminator.

Reminds me - the whole interaction with him and that girl, while they're driving in the car and she thinks he's a cop, was way fun. That was a cool twist. I love it when the show does things different than how we've seen them be presented before. Until this show, we haven't really seen a bad Terminator work with humans for too long - and not kill them. In T3, the Termamatrix did to the extent that she pretended to be Kate Brewster's fiance, and rode with the cops who were looking for her. But somehow that never really registered with me. Also, a bad Terminator working with a teenage girl was definitely something we hadn't seen before.

Maybe this is all not a huge leap in creative writing, but it worked well enough for me to be highly entertained. That's the point, isn't it? This is a great show!

[Blue2th]

I enjoyed that part also. I was fully expecting Cromarte to kill her, but he just booted her out of his Chevelle. Kinda funny.
I've had some people in my car I've wanted to do that to.

[Lord Malakite]

I got some news guys. Come February 13, 2009 new episodes of T:TSCC will air on Friday (http://www.terminatorchronicles.com/fox-moving-tscc-to-fridays-in-early-2009/#comment-2231).

[Kidhuman]

Thats not good news at all. I watch too many other things on Friday. Grrrrrrrrrrr.

[Mad Slanted Powers]

I already record it on Monday because I watch Chuck. On Friday I've been watching Ghost Whisperer, Crusoe and Numb3rs, while recording the Clone Wars. If they put it on at 8pm, then it will be no different for me than now.

[Devo]

Loved the last episode. Cromartie is cool. I love that they've kept one consistent 'villain' terminator.

Whats also cool is that there are no 'good' terminators. Cameron kills anyone who jeopardises her mission, whether they do so innocently or deliberately.

[tagmac]

The one problem I have is that it seems the shows ARE being played out of order, as some rumors have suggested. Quite frustrating.

[Tycho]

Fridays are the death zone for TV shows though. This disturbs me.

[Tycho]

Tonight's show was awesome! I mean really exciting. I invited a friend over to watch and we were both riveted!

I like the way they edited it and showed each characters' point of view of the events.

We both thought Cameron was going to "do" John to help him avoid chasing after Riley. I could see him thinking about it and wondering whether she was programmed for that. *cough* But man was she seductive when she got into bed with him.

Meanwhile, the guy playing Cromarte is awesome as a Terminator. He's different from Arnold of course, but he plays the role so well.

What a show tonight! I was impressed.

[Darth Metalmute]

Cromarte's death seen was well choreographed. The conversation with him and Sara was great as well. I love when they show things from different characters POVs.

Two comments from the last two episodes.
First, when Cromarte entered the Conors house, why didn't he use the infered sensors that all terminators use?

Second, Do terminators take their weapons aiming courses at the Imperial academy with the stormtrooper recruits?

[Ando]

[quote=Darth Metalmute;647622]First, when Cromarte entered the Conors house, why didn't he use the infered sensors that all terminators use?[quote]

I noticed that Cameron's red tinted "Terminator Vision" isn't being used this season, either. I wonder if it's something the producer's felt they could scrap to save money or if there's another reason.

And last night's episode was damn exciting stuff. It was probably one of my favorite episodes yet.

[sith_killer_99]

Did anyone else notice the way Cameron took off her sweater/jacket before she went into John's room?!?!

[Tycho]

Did anyone else notice the way Cameron took off her sweater/jacket before she went into John's room?!?!

Yeah. My friend was over to watch last night's show and he said "WTF" out loud.

My thought: Boobies!

There was no mistaking that message that the show's director was sending.

And last night's episode was damn exciting stuff. It was probably one of my favorite episodes yet.

Yes! I couldn't agree more. The whole darn show was edge-of-your-seat-exciting!

This time they REALLY managed to capture the feel of a Terminator movie for the television show.

[Lord Malakite]

I doubt we've seen the last of Cromarte. Even with Sarah smashing his chip, they left it too wide open last night with the "shallow grave" and the "we'll come back later to destroy the endo-skeleton" to say he is gone for good. Just watch the cop come back to dig him up and give the remains to miss T-1001. Mark my words, he'll be back.

[sith_killer_99]

Yeah. My friend was over to watch last night's show and he said "WTF" out loud.

My thought: Boobies!

Speaking of which, have you been watching True Blood?:D

Last nights episode was indeed very exciting, but next weeks seems like it will be even more so, it looks like they will seriously be playing with the time stream thing...exploring alternate time lines, realities, etc.:yes:

It could be very well done, I'd like to see them do what they did last night, showing it from different perspectives.

[Tycho]

I doubt we've seen the last of Cromarte. Even with Sarah smashing his chip, they left it too wide open last night with the "shallow grave" and the "we'll come back later to destroy the endo-skeleton" to say he is gone for good. Just watch the cop come back to dig him up and give the remains to miss T-1001. Mark my words, he'll be back.

Great point. I had been watching the show under the impression that Ellison didn't trust Miss T-1000, and suspected her of being a machine. Maybe I want to see evidence of him not being so easily fooled and I'm just manufacturing it in my mind. But I still think the storyline could get even better if Ellison does NOT trust her and thinks she might be a machine.

I think he knows Cameron is a machine, so it's not like he doesn't think there are lady Terminators.

I thought his interaction with Sarah last night was awesome. She says "she's sorry about his losses, but there's nothing she can do about it." She's right, but she acts so hard and tough as nails. Then when he walks away she smashes Cromarte's chip and starts crying. That was a powerful scene.

The cast is very talented. Some shows showcase them being able to act moreso than others. This was definitely the episode where the cast really shined.

Sith_Killer, I never heard of True Blood. I really try to avoid "getting into new shows." I have 1 TV show every night now - which is like 2 hours more per week than I used to EVER watch. (The Shield, Smallville, Star Trek had been my TV retreat - not counting CPSAN / News programs which I take in intermittently all the time if I don't feel like reading the newspaper).

So now I have Terminator, The Shield (ending in 3 episodes), Sons of Anarchy, Smallville (hopefully ending actually), and Clone Wars, MTWTF. Sigh.

I prefer to write my own stories which I might SELL and enjoy expressing myself with in the meanwhile - and I tackle that challenge instead of play video games as well (don't even own a game system).

With Terminator, there were 2 factors: 1 - I am a very passionate Terminator fan and always have been. I have a soft-spot for the peace and order SkyNet sought with its nuclear holocaust. Yes, I am a true sociopath. But that scene at the beginning of T2 when all the honking cars in the LA traffic are silenced, and there's nothing but the skeletons of the dead left in the reamains of their vehicles, is symbolic of peace on earth for me. Then the movie goes on to make the point that "true peace" isn't the fate anticipated for our species. We are what we are. And it's probably best if I can live somewhat isolated but still have social outlets (and friends). The 2nd factor was being at Comic Con and seeing that on their event schedule, being curious - and watching the first episode with the huge Comic Con audience followed-up with a Q&A with the cast. I'd never heard of Summer Glau before, but naturally I immediately sat erect and paid attention. The pun was very much intended, too. But from the first episode with the edgy school shooting scene which we were instructed was a risky move for the Fox Network, the whole show has been one great thrill ride.

The military academy episode with Derek and John was also one of the very memorable ones this season that I liked a lot. It's a great sign when you can remember what happened.

Also - remember when Cromarte cornered John at the Long Beach Pier and fell into the water? There were lots of moments this season that I'd like to relive (on DVD). I bought the first season and have watched it through twice already. That's a very good deal.

[sith_killer_99]

Well, True Blood is on Sunday nights on HBO. It may not be something you want to get into, but it is an opportunity to see Anna Paquin...shine.;)

Anyway, I recommend checking it out on DVD, once the season is over and HBO decides to release it. Perhaps check it out from the video store one weekend. You will not be disappointed.

[Phantom-like Menace]

It was a great night of television all around. Heroes, Chuck, and Terminator were all really good episodes.

Just watching this episode, I knew I'd get to this thread and find everyone chiming in positively about it. From Cromartie's death to Cameron's "talk" with John, I knew it was full of stuff to talk about. I actually can't believe they fit all that into an hour.

I knew the moment Ellison walked out to the car for the first aid kit that Cromartie was about to be lured into a trap, and I loved his final scene.

[Devo]

Another fine episode. I do think its a pity cromartie appears to have been killed. I loved that guy and I'd like to thank him for his time!

2 complaints though. Not sure about the bit where sarah cries as she destroys his chip - I sort of think she should be past crying by now and I think it was a bit cliched anyway. Also I don't think cromartie should have been killed so easily. Exactly what kind of gun was it that Cameron used and why was no such weapon used in the films?

Second, Do terminators take their weapons aiming courses at the Imperial academy with the stormtrooper recruits?

And also this.

[OC47150]

I have to say this week's episode was one of the best, if not the best, episode of the series. I didn't know if I'd like the flashback aspect but I did.