Heath Ledger died?!?!?

[CaptainSolo1138]

Holy carp, man. That's pretty unbelievable.

[El Chuxter]

Wow.

I am totally speechless. This is not only tragic, but it's a major shock. The man was one of the best actors in the biz, and way too young.

As sad as this news is, at least he's not going to be like Raul Julia or John Candy and star in a piece of crap as his last movie. The Dark Knight looks like it's going to be every bit as good as Batman Begins, and what I've seen of Ledger's performance is a very large portion of that.

Wow.

Edit: Looks like it was probably drug related. When will these guys learn? We lose so many of the great artists to drugs.

:cry:

[jedi master sal]

Wow! Well the movie will be that much darker now with this happening. I hope he put in an amazing performance.

Drugs, gaw.... Flippin' shame, but they ask for it when they mess around with that carp.

I'm dealing with a co-worker who had a heart attack today. We'll know by morning if she's going to make it through and be okay for surgery. If not, she will have either passed on overnight or will be terminal. Her condition is due to diabetes and asthma. I'll feel much worse for losing her than Heath. Not because I know her personally persay, though that has something to do with it, but knowing hers was a medical condition that only so much could be done about. Whereas dying because of drugs....just plain stupid. I'm sorry that he died, really, but carp....

Sorry if part of that post seems heartless, I'm dealing with issues today, mostly the one I mentioned above. As well as a look at my own health at present.

[DarthQuack]

I'm in shock....unbelievable all these young people....it's the rule of 3 all over again, Brad Renfro...now Heath....

[The 'Xir]

The man was one of the best actors in the biz.

We lose so many of the great artists to drugs.



Don't know about that first part, but as far as the 2nd... what do you think makes them great?! J/K kinda, but it is tragic.

[Jedi_Master_Guyute]

This is horrific and tragic news. I'm seriously shocked right now.

[Jedi_Kal-El]

This is horrific and tragic news. I'm seriously shocked right now.

I couldn't believe it when I heard it. I'm not a huge fan of all of his work, but he did have some roles I really enjoyed, and I was impressed at the trailer I saw to Dark Knight. A truly sad and shocking tragedy.:(

[El Chuxter]

Don't know about that first part, but as far as the 2nd... what do you think makes them great?! J/K kinda, but it is tragic.

He'd played his parts better than most other actors his age. Even as far back as 10 Things I Hate About You (which was Shakespeare's Taming of the Shrew with an updated locale and dialogue). His work in Brokeback Mountain was superb, and what I've seen so far of The Dark Knight looks to be even better.

I honestly expected him to become the next Johnny Depp.

[DarkArtist]

This was indeed shocking to see. Very Tragic end for a great actor. I wonder if now the credits for The Dark Knight will have a "In Memory Of" at the beginning or the end ?

[Mr. JabbaJohnL]

Whoa, this is just odd. I wasn't a huge fan but was looking forward to Dark Knight (as others have said). Just weird.

[Tycho]

Is he really dead?

They thought I died more than once.

But this is why I never, ever did drugs. I have enough health problems in my family as it is.

Wow. I just cannot be politically correct, or say I'm in shock or any of that.

I say that if people are using drugs that we have heard over and over again since Nancy Reagan as being bad for you, then you deserve what you get if you use them. Marajuana included - as when you're high, you might try other stuff. It's best not to be out of control - or drunk for that matter either.

I hope Britney, Lindsey, and Paris are paying attention. They're going to be the next Anna Nicole Smith before long.

But I'm sorry. I can't grieve for Heath Ledger if he O-D'd. So many entertainers do that, it's unbelieveable.

Was Robert Downey, Jr. paying attention, too? This has been going on for so long. Back through Kurt Kobain and Elvis probably.

Maybe Owen Wilson will shoot himself with Phil Specter's gun to top the week off now. :rolleyes:

[Jedi_Kal-El]

Is he really dead?

They thought I died more than once.

But this is why I never, ever did drugs. I have enough health problems in my family as it is.

Wow. I just cannot be politically correct, or say I'm in shock or any of that.

I say that if people are using drugs that we have heard over and over again since Nancy Reagan as being bad for you, then you deserve what you get if you use them. Marajuana included - as when you're high, you might try other stuff. It's best not to be out of control - or drunk for that matter either.

I hope Britney, Lindsey, and Paris are paying attention. They're going to be the next Anna Nicole Smith before long.

But I'm sorry. I can't grieve for Heath Ledger if he O-D'd. So many entertainers do that, it's unbelieveable.

Was Robert Downey, Jr. paying attention, too? This has been going on for so long. Back through Kurt Kobain and Elvis probably.

Maybe Owen Wilson will shoot himself with Phil Specter's gun to top the week off now. :rolleyes:

I'd always thought a fitting punishment for Robert Downey Jr would have been to lock him in a room and make him watch Less than Zero repeatedly.

Yes, this does happen too often to actors and the like. Why don't they get it? Just because they have money and fame doesn't make them indestructible. It is sad to see things like this happen to young ppl, but alas you're positively right Tycho. They all bring it on themselves.

[DarthBrandon]

Lets remember folks, it's over the counter sleeping pills & they are not 100% sure if that's the cause of death.

[Kidhuman]

Sad and somewhat shocking, but if he did it to himself it seems. Its kind of hard to feel bad for someone who deliberately OD's. Being found naked in a hotel room with sleeping pills scattered around you isnt a good sign of foul play.

[Jedi_Master_Guyute]

Sad and somewhat shocking, but if he did it to himself it seems. Its kind of hard to feel bad for someone who deliberately OD's. Being found naked in a hotel room with sleeping pills scattered around you isnt a good sign of foul play.

dude, let it go for now. We have no idea if it's suicide or accidental.

[Old Fossil]

My wife told me that Heath Ledger had a wife and daughter. I feel bad for them.

[2-1B]

I thought he was a decent actor, then I saw Brokeback Mountain and really became a fan of his, that was an awesome movie and definitely worthy of the Oscar nomination. I thought he should have won.

[2-1B]

I was just reading the message boards for both his page as well as The Dark Knight on IMDb...I wish I hadn't.

[Tycho]

I was just reading the message boards for both his page as well as The Dark Knight on IMDb...I wish I hadn't.

Why?

I could use some sleeping pills sometimes though. But my doctor said to never take more than 2.

So could it have been a suicide attempt instead of an accident?

Yeah, I'd feel bad for his wife and daughter.

[darthvyn]

My wife told me that Heath Ledger had a wife and daughter. I feel bad for them.

well, he and his wife split up, but yes, he had a 1 y/o daughter with her. she's the one i feel upset for, same as frances bean and any other children who have lost a parent to drugs/depression before ever really getting to know them. it's all well and good to say "they brought it upon themselves" but unfortunately it's the OTHER people they bring it upon who then have to deal with all the emotions involved.

[UKWildcat]

I think this is very sad news, and I'm still trying to get over the shock. I heard about it earlier this evening, a little before 5:00, and I've been having trouble thinking about other stuff ever since. Just tragic...

I was just reading the message boards for both his page as well as The Dark Knight on IMDb...I wish I hadn't.

Most of the people posting in the message boards at IMDB are idiots so I very rarely venture there and read what they have to say, but I can imagine.

[General_Grievous]

I just heard about it when I got home an hour ago. This is sad news. My friend said "Guess who was found dead due to a drug overdose?" I immediately thought, "Britney Spears". But I was in shock when I saw that Ledger was dead. He was a good actor, and I'm still looking forward to his performance in "The Dark Knight". It's just a shame that he died so young, and he will be missed.

[CaptainSolo1138]

If a mod wants to change the thread title to a less sensational sounding "RIP Heath Ledger" or whatever feel free.

[2-1B]

He was never married to Michelle Williams, the mother of his 2 year old daughter.

Why?


See UKWildcat's comments to illustrate why.

[CaptainSolo1138]

Behold icanhascheezburger.com 's fitting tribute (http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/128343772721718750brokbakkitteh.jpg).

[2-1B]

Does that guy spell like a retard on purpose ?

[stillakid]

If a mod wants to change the thread title to a less sensational sounding "RIP Heath Ledger" or whatever feel free.

I vote for "whatever."

[BountyHunterScum]

Funny how life works, surfing the net and BAM fox news front page Heath Ledger DEAD. I was expecting to see Britney off herself, that wouldn't be a big loss though. Ledger was higher on the food chain and even though he was in brokeback mountain I didn't hold it against him.

[JEDIpartner]

Apparently, Fred Phelps and his happy little band of "LOVE" messengers are planning to picket his funeral.

[CaptainSolo1138]

Apparently, Fred Phelps and his happy little band of "LOVE" messengers are planning to picket his funeral.
Here's a link (http://wwtdd.com/post.phtml?pk=3425) to that mess of a story, including a copy of their press release. Please note that the headline is sarcastic. Read the whole story.

Good to see you, JP.

[darthvyn]

Here's a link (http://wwtdd.com/post.phtml?pk=3425) to that mess of a story, including a copy of their press release. Please note that the headline is sarcastic. Read the whole story.

Good to see you, JP.

holy carp, what a bunch of ignorant retards.

do they have a forum at their site? might be a candidate for a strategic incursion...

[Jedi_Master_Guyute]

That's a shame and an outrage that Westboro Baptist Church is planning on doing this. I'll bet good money they are going to be met with a barrier that forces them to stay so far back and probably a nice police prescence. There is an interesting documentary about the Westboro Church called "God Hates ****" that gives insight to the insane workings of the church. Those people are incredibly brainwashed and insane. One part of the video showed them protesting at a soldiers funeral and somebody drives by and hits one of the protesters, a small child, with a pop can. It'd be funny if it wasn't so horrible.

Frankly, I see Ledger getting buried in probably in his home country of Australia and hopefully this group will just be denied entry into the country. either way, these folks are ***holes.

As for Ledger, the autopsy came back inconclusive and it'll take 10 days to get back reports. Such a shame.

[Kidhuman]

I am speechless as to this ramrods actions.

[Jargo]

This is just opinion, but the thing that irritates me about suicides, is that people say it's selfish to take your life and leave behind the people of your family who suffer the consequences. My feeling is that it's just as selfish of family to keep dragging someone back into the life they can't bear to live rather than let the person find peace and escape their troubles.

it's too bad he's dead. the movie industry will feel the loss. his family will. but if it was what he truly wanted then fair play to the guy.

if it was accidental then it's a tragedy.

[JEDIpartner]

Here's a link (http://wwtdd.com/post.phtml?pk=3425) to that mess of a story, including a copy of their press release. Please note that the headline is sarcastic. Read the whole story.

Good to see you, JP.

It's good to be back. :) I've missed you guys but I've been really busy trying to make sense of the madness. Sorry I've been away so long. I'll try to return sooner.

:love:

[JEDIpartner]

holy carp, what a bunch of ignorant retards.

do they have a forum at their site? might be a candidate for a strategic incursion...

I've been spamming them just hoping that the increase of e-mail will crash their server. LOL

I wonder if these d*ckweeds are going to Perth, Australia, which is likely to be the location of the funeral.

For all the lovely things Phelps has done in his lifetime, it wouldn't be so sad to see a really public death for him; one where people are pointing and laughing and it gets put on youtube.com. :upset:

[Beast]

It sucks that his last movie is going to be playing the Joker in The Dark Knight. :(

[JEDIpartner]

At least he finished it!!!

[stillakid]

I think that he was working on a Terry Gilliam movie, though, so that'll be a problem.

[General_Grievous]

This is just opinion, but the thing that irritates me about suicides, is that people say it's selfish to take your life and leave behind the people of your family who suffer the consequences. My feeling is that it's just as selfish of family to keep dragging someone back into the life they can't bear to live rather than let the person find peace and escape their troubles.

it's too bad he's dead. the movie industry will feel the loss. his family will. but if it was what he truly wanted then fair play to the guy.

if it was accidental then it's a tragedy.

I think it was an accidental OD on sleeping pills and not a suicide.

It's good to be back. :) I've missed you guys but I've been really busy trying to make sense of the madness. Sorry I've been away so long. I'll try to return sooner.

:love:

Hey, JP! Good to see you again! :)

It sucks that his last movie is going to be playing the Joker in The Dark Knight. :(

Yes, indeed it does suck, but it'll be a legendary role.

[BountyHunterScum]

Although I do agree to some extent about the pervert part I think picketing someone's funeral is stupid.

[Jedi_Master_Guyute]

Although I do agree to some extent about the pervert part I think picketing someone's funeral is stupid.

wait, how is it perverted? He was an actor playing a role. It's fiction, fantasy, not real, make believe, imaginary, do I go on?

James, I think you're generalizing and making comments that are not only assinine, but have no basis or point.

[JetsAndHeels]

It sucks that his last movie is going to be playing the Joker in The Dark Knight. :(

Actually it may be the best thing for his legacy as an actor. Let's be honest here, more people are going to see "The Dark Knight" than any other movie he was in. If it delivers (which we all would probably be surprised if it did not) then Heath will forever be part of a great film.

He will be remembered for being the Joker.

[Jedi_Kal-El]

Actually it may be the best thing for his legacy as an actor. Let's be honest here, more people are going to see "The Dark Knight" than any other movie he was in. If it delivers (which we all would probably be surprised if it did not) then Heath will forever be part of a great film.

He will be remembered for being the Joker.

I actually think that his death might propel this film to hights it might not have reached otherwise. There will be fans of his who might not have wanted to see this film because they don't like Batman, but will neverless see it now that he has passed.

It's kinda sad sometimes that it has to be like that and someone has to die like this to gain some sort of immortality. Elvis was big, but was huge after he died(no pun intended).

[Kidhuman]

Heh. Doubt all you want. Ok smartarse keep deleting posts.

I am the smartarse deleting these posts. you have done nothing but personally attack people and post inane stuff all day. Granted your opinion is yours, but to instigate people on these boards in an offense and you agreed not to do it when you joined. If you do not want to follow the rules and regulations set forth by Steve, please dont post here anymore. Thank you and have a good day. :thumbsup:

[Jargo]

didn't terry gilliam have his star die on him with 'the adventures of baron munchausen' too? then he had to reshoot masses of fotage with the replacement actor. Gilliam seems to have zero luck making movies.

[jedi master sal]

Yes, and thanks for getting back on topic.

So I just found out that it could have been an accidental overdose of prescription drugs.

Now if that pans out then this was a damn shame.

[DarthQuack]

It's just a shame that he died with a wife and a young daughter.... :(

[Jedi_Master_Guyute]

Yes, and thanks for getting back on topic.

So I just found out that it could have been an accidental overdose of prescription drugs.

Now if that pans out then this was a damn shame.

That was my guess as well as I believe he was on sleeping pills and he had been sick with pneumonia. Nothing is official yet, but that's my guess as to what happened.

It's just a shame that he died with a wife and a young daughter.... :(

Well, he wasn't married, but he did leave a daughter. It is a shame indeed.

[2-1B]

Honestly, I'd like to sexually penetrate that Fred Phelps guy just to spite him. And I ain't even gay.

I've been disgusted by that POS and his "GHF" website since I learned about it following the Matthew Shepard murder. :(

Brokeback Mountain was a great movie whether is featured a gay couple or a hetero couple.

[bigbarada]

If this was an accidental OD, then it's a real shame.

As for the Westboro Baptist Church, those people aren't Christians, not by a longshot. I don't see what this has to do with Brokeback Mountain anyway, wasn't that like 3 or 4 years ago?

And please don't go lumping all "Middle Americans" or Christians in with this single group of sick idiots. If you do, then you're just as guilty of bigotry as they are.

[plasticfetish]

If you do, then you're just as guilty of bigotry as they are.Point well made BigB.

I know I'd love a chance to egg them if they ever came to my town, but there's something fitting about turning the other cheek. Let 'em be the fools they are, and answer for it when it's their time.

Speaking of "their time." If this wasn't a thread about someone dying, I'd leave all of the funny (funny) off-topic posts, but... you know.

[JEDIpartner]

Although I do agree to some extent about the pervert part I think picketing someone's funeral is stupid.

Don't make me out you, betch! :whip:

They threw some more information about his death on the news this morning. Apparently, he was heard snoring around 1:30 in the afternoon. He wasn't dead long before it was discovered. It's a shame that there were no indications that his life was in jeopardy. :(

As for the Westboro Baptist Church, those people aren't Christians, not by a longshot. I don't see what this has to do with Brokeback Mountain anyway, wasn't that like 3 or 4 years ago?

And please don't go lumping all "Middle Americans" or Christians in with this single group of sick idiots. If you do, then you're just as guilty of bigotry as they are.

This is true. I know loads of "Middle Americans" and Christians who are perfectly fine with homosexuals and say that it's not their place to judge them/us. They don't even know if God cares so much about who is gay and who isn't but it's really not up to them to be unkind to their fellow humans. Then again, I've managed to change a lot of people's minds and get rid of their preconceived ideas about homosexuals.

[Deoxyribonucleic]

Point well made BigB. but there's something fitting about turning the other cheek. Let 'em be the fools they are, and answer for it when it's their time.



That's exactly right. These people are LOOKING for and craving negative attention because it helps them prove their delusions. The sad part is that they get children involved. If you guys have an hour to spare, this video is worth watching.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4413388146858417528

sorry to get off topic, but it is somewhat relevant since they are supposedly going to picket Heath's death?? But Heath Ledger's funeral probably won't even be in the states. At any rate, I just feel sad for the family, death is NOT an easy thing to deal with!

[CaptainSolo1138]

I think vyn's "middle America" comment was taken out of context. He deserves to be beat with a hose, but not for this.:p

[2-1B]

So Jack Nicholson says he warned Ledger that the Joker role was incredibly demanding, and upon hearing of Ledger's death he said he warned him. Very odd.

Is that what he was talking about ?

I heard that on CNN (or somewhere) too, the part about Jack "warning" Heath but the context presented in that bit I heard was in reference to drugs, not the role of The Joker. Of course, that was Tuesday evening shortly after the story broke so I don't know how accurate the report was.

[Deoxyribonucleic]

At first it was in regards to ambien, it was on the cnn site and he started out by warning everyone about Ambien but then it just started NOT making any sense what or who he was 'warning' about:confused:

[JediTricks]

What I read said that Jack warned him the role was arduous. Then, the paps told Jack Heath may have died from insomnia-leading-to-sleeping-pill-overdose and that's what Jack responded to that he warned him.

Keep in mind though, Jack is an old fart who makes no sense half the time.

[El Chuxter]

Mark Hamill and Cesar Romero both seemed to survive playing the Joker rather well.

So did Nicholson, for that matter.

[JediTricks]

He didn't say it was cursed, he said it was hard, and he was talking about a movie role, not TV (the '66 Batman movie doesn't count, it was produced essentially identical to the show).

[2-1B]

Mark Hamill and Cesar Romero both seemed to survive playing the Joker rather well.

So did Nicholson, for that matter.

Hammill needed to survive so his family won't go hungry (plus he just had to read in a sound room) and Romero...well that 60s era Bats was a pretty "safe" property, nothing too serious.

[El Chuxter]

Most importantly, Romero's moustache survived.

[Jargo]

Burt Ward didn't survive playing robin. he turned into a grey zombie.

[Kidhuman]

OK, this is not going to turn into a religious debate unless we want it moved to the Rancor Pit.

[El Chuxter]

Yes it is.

[Kidhuman]

Yes it is.

Banned :thumbsup:

[2-1B]

I'm going to watch Brokeback Mountain this afternoon as part of Yuke's Oscar challenge. :thumbsup:

No, but he was a confirmed bachelor. In the same sense as Rock Hudson.

"...unless you can alter time, speed up the harvest or teleport me off this Rock." :thumbsup:

[2-1B]

What do you think Terry Gilliam will do with the Dr. Parnassus project? I read an interview with Christopher Plummer, he said all the exterior stuff was done in London but they were going to Vancouver to shoot the soundstage and green screen stuff...

I dunno if they can come up with a way to finish it while keeping Heath's stuff (sounds like they improvised ALOT in the film, so who knows, maybe they can creatively work around it (since it sounds like an effed up crazy story in the first place).

"Stay on target. Stay on target." (http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/funny-pictures-cat-pidgeons-star-wars.jpg)

He's gonna blow ! :thumbsup:

[JEDIpartner]

No, but he was a confirmed bachelor. In the same sense as Rock Hudson.

a/k/a "A Coward".

Anyhow... I think the memorial service in Hollywood is a bit overkill. Just send the poor guy's body back to Perth and let him rest in peace. Or "peas", I suppose.

Peas of the Lord be with you... :o

[2-1B]

Actually JP I heard he will be interred somewhere in New York, that his family was flying into NYC...probably since his daughter will be living in the States. :confused:

[Tycho]

I just wanted to note that this discussion went way off on a tangent about a socio-political issue, gets part of it moved to the Rancor Pit - and I had nothing to do with it.

For all those who think I'm always the one to cause such trouble...

[CaptainSolo1138]

For all those who think I'm always the one to cause such trouble...You are the one...just not this time.:p

[scruffziller]

Heath Ledger – Tragedy, with Controversy to Follow

Wednesday, January 23, 2008

Byron Richards, CCN
The entertainment community is in shock over the loss of a rising star. Heath Ledger, dead at the age of 28, apparently from an accidental overdose of medication. Autopsy results have been delayed for 10 days, but enough information has already become public to understand what likely took place. Heath Ledger did not need to die.
It now appears that Ledger is one of the 100,000 people a year who needlessly die in America from the use of Big Pharma toxins. His health problems were difficult but not unfixable – except by medical doctors who have little skill other than trying to titrate various poisons in the name of symptom improvement. Oftentimes physicians ignore the warnings for the drugs being prescribed as well as the patient’s history, which appears to be the case in this situation. I have often wondered how so many deaths can be swept under the rug. Maybe now more people will begin to pay attention.
Ledger was suffering from a relatively common health problem called wind-up. In this condition the nerves feel like a cat on a hot tin roof. The mind races, yet the body cannot sleep even though the person is physically exhausted. Doctors give nerve sedation medications to treat the symptoms of this problem – substances that carry a high risk for addiction (especially in someone with addiction history), are inherently dangerous, and even more dangerous when combined with other sleep medications. The New York Post reported that Ambien pills (a hypnotic drug) were found near his body, and generic versions of the Xanax and Valium anti-anxiety pills prescribed in the actor’s name, were found in the house. A bottle of Donormyl, an antihistamine used as a sleep aid, and a packet of the drug Zopiclone (a controlled substance in the Ambien family), also used for insomnia, were found on his nightstand.
As reported by CNN: At the time of his death, Ledger had just finished playing the villain The Joker in “The Dark Knight,” the latest installment in the Batman series. The film is to open in July. The role disturbed him, according to The Associated Press. He called The Joker a “psychopathic, mass-murdering, schizophrenic clown with zero empathy.” “Last week, I probably slept an average of two hours a night,” Ledger told The New York Times. “I couldn’t stop thinking. My body was exhausted, and my mind was still going.”
Ambien has been in the spotlight for the past year due to its inducing of bizarre sleep-walking behavior, both in the U.S (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/13/AR2006031301317.html). and in Ledger’s native Australia (http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/ledger-taking-us-version-of-stilnox/2008/01/23/1201024963795.html). Even the FDA (http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/NEWS/2007/NEW01587.html) managed a warning on the issue. Those with a history of addictive problems are not supposed to take Ambien. Ledger has a known and recent history of battling heroin addiction (http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23099380-661,00.html), alcohol use, and depression. The simple fact is that he was on drugs he should not have been on.
Thus emerges a picture of a person with a weak nervous system in a wound up condition and unable to sleep – not unlike millions of sleepless Americans. His problems had been challenged by a demanding movie role and shaky personal life. It was likely that he was self-medicating with dangerous drugs and their combinations – with no idea he should not be on these drugs or that they could kill him – not unlike tens of thousands of other Americans who also die each year.
Of course, it is easy to argue that any sleep is better than no sleep. This argument loses value when the remedies don’t work well and the problem is ongoing. Like tens of millions of Americans, Ledger got high-risk toxic symptom management with little or no effort trying to fix the source of the problem. This is how Western Medicine is performed when no obvious disease can be found.
And now the real controversy emerges. Doctors who are trained only in Big Pharma are actually a liability to society. They betray the trust of those in need. Sure Heath Ledger had problems, where was the real help?
The FDA is doing everything in its power to prevent anyone from understanding how to naturally improve themselves. The FDA is the police force bully, protecting the profits of Big Pharma in exchange for future jobs at Big Pharma, at the expense of Americans trying to be healthy. The long and sordid history of the FDA, as well as its future plans to control your health options, are clearly laid out in my book Fight for Your Health: Exposing the FDA’s Betrayal of America (read free, click here (http://www.wellnessresources.com/Books/fight_for_your_health.php)).
Heath Ledger suffered from an excess build up of substance P in his nervous system – a problem doctors don’t even comprehend (as drugs don’t ever fix it and usually make the problem worse). Substance P is an inflammatory nerve chemical which must be cleared out of nerves before a person can sleep. Drugs that knock out the nervous system are like a credit card, with a very low credit limit. Nutrients can be used to naturally discharge substance P from the nerves, as well as restore natural balance to the brain stem, so a person can sleep. He also needed help nutritionally building up his depleted nervous system – his underlying health problem. These issues can readily be fixed if a person understands what they are doing and why – I know – as a top nutritionist I help people fix them all the time and have for years. The problem is for the general public, wherein the FDA flagrantly suppresses the First Amendment right of our citizens to understand how nutrition works in the context of a health problem. Heath Ledger could well be alive today if the FDA wasn’t actively blocking access to how to use nutrition to solve difficult health problems.

[2-1B]

Or he could have just stayed off H (if he was actually a user, that is)...

[DarthBrandon]

The article by Mr Richards sounds like total B.S. to me, just another attempt to put a spin on things & cash in like every other media outlet out there does today. Mr Ledger did not have a Heroin addiction to my knowledge (we all would have heard way before his death), he did how-ever go to a re-hab clinic to research Heroin addicts for his role in Candy. The character Dan (Ledger) in Candy is a Heroin addict plain & simple. He was not to my knowledge a pill popping, needle pushing kind of guy. We all would have heard about this behaviour a long time ago in many different news venues. This type of fantasy reporting is called sensationalism, this is the new way to market & sell news today. We see it in politics & celeb news all the time now & it makes me sick that they can get away with the things that they do. The pills (sleepers) on the scene were not scattered around the body (typical for suicide etc), they were in a bottle on the nightstand. His last co-star Christopher Plummer stated Heath may have been suffering from walking pneumonia & many others have stated that he was ill at the time of his death. The first headline I seen about Heath was this "Heath Ledger died, found naked in his apartment from a drug overdose". The next was (on the same news channel) Heath Ledger dead, found in Kate Olsen's apartment from an apparent drug overdose. Last we have Heath Ledger dead, found in apartment, prescription drugs found, a rolled up twenty with no traces of drugs on it. The news channel then points out that the autopsy was inconclusive & we'll have to wait to find out what really killed him. Sounds to me like a whole lot of speculation on all these news stations part to me. This is fly by the seat of your pants reporting to me as far as I'm concerned, these guys should not be able to say anything until they know the truth, the facts, & the whole story before they are allowed to report or print it. My own personal opinion is this, Heath Ledger died, I do not know the cause of his death, Christopher Plummer & others have stated that he was ill at the time of his death. There were prescription drugs found (no illegal) in his apartment (many others including my own mother have many bottles of these types of medication on site) & it does not look like suicide, so that leads me to this. I'm waiting to hear what the autopsy (tissue & toxicology report has come up with) brings to the table. Till then Heath Ledger has died from just about anything: Cancer, pneumonia, Sex, Heart Attack, Laughing himself to death or just plain woke up dead. Take your pick, there's many more to choose from, the point is none of these idiots that report this stuff really know anything beyond the fact that he's dead.

[Jedi_Master_Guyute]

Accidental overdose on pain meds, anxiety medication, and sleeping pills.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/Movies/02/06/heath.ledger/index.html

Shame.

[Kidhuman]

I call Shenanigans on the toxicology report

[TeeEye7]

I call Shenanigans on the toxicology report

Somebody out there might have an agenda??!!!! :shocked:

;)

[Devil King]

Everyone seems to miss the reality of how tragic this situation is. It isn't that Heath Ledger was or was not a good actor; it isn't that he played a gay cowboy; it isn't that his casting as the Joker got inside his head to the point that he went nuts.

The tragic reality of this situation is that the man died because he trusted his doctors. In the US, and most other 1st world countries, we walk into our doctor's office and assume they have to know what they're doing because they spent 12 years learning how to do it. Ledger died because he put his trust in his doctors. We make the far-too-often fatal mistake of not realizing our doctors are little more than the paid foot soldiers of the insurance and pharmacutical racquets. How many times have we heard about this famous person or that one dying because of the poison we're all handed by the pharmacist? How many others have died who were NOT famous enough to have their story plastered all over the evening news? As Bill Maher said: "We used to have a protracted series of tests that made sure drugs were safe, but now we just give them to Courtney Love and if she's still alive in the morning we approve them!"

The next time you're sitting in the waiting room, notice the brand named prescription drugs monikers plastered all over the pens and clocks and posters. Notice how the Discovery "Health" channel is simply a vehicle for prescription drug commercials. Pay attention to the guy in the suit that isn't there because he's sick and gets to walk through and ply the doctor with incentives and 5-star dinners; they're the drug company reps! Our doctors should have advertisements sew onto their lab coats, just like NASCAR drivers.

The sad reality is that we're the test subjects for these drug companies, not baboons in a cage or rats in a lab. And while you're paying attention to this, pick up a product on the shelves of your grocery store and read the label. Look at all the crap listed under the ingredients! We posion ourselves with our food, and then we turn to the drug companis for a solution when something goes wrong. Well, they're no better. They're selling us crap to solve a problem that is the result of the fast-food, microwaveable, high fructose corn syrup drenched, best-if-eaten-by CRAP! we eat. And before I'm called a conspiracy theorist, actually research it. I'm no conspiracy theorist, I'm a realist. The facts are there for you to see, but the big-business, con-artists rely on the ignorance of the consumer to make their money. But I do find it intersting that the only products on our grocery shelves that don't have high fructose corn syrup or aspertame are cigarettes and liquor.

Learn how to cook, use only whole ingrediants, exercise, and for god's sake don't spend 20 minutes looking for the remote when you could have changed the channel on the television. Can't sleep? Then get up and do something. Our doctors are not concerned about us, they're just pushers who wear lab coats and accept personal checks!

[Devil King]

The medical examiner's office only provided generic names, so it is unknown whether he took generic or brand-name drugs.

-directly from the MSN headline.

Why would specific drugs be named, when we're all subjected to the constant barage of drug ads and doctor recommendations? Tune in to any given show and count the number of drug adds you see over the course of the program. I've done it. In an hour, I counted 23 drug commercials.(most of which were repeats of the same drug ad I'd seen during the last commercial break.)

Who else does as much? Car comapnies and insurace companies. Yet, somehow, pot is still illegal.

I've never heard of a pot head die of an over does, at least not until his doctors got involved.

Welcome to Costco, I love you!

[bigbarada]

-directly from the MSN headline.

Why would specific drugs be named, when we're all subjected to the constant barage of drug ads and doctor recommendations? Tune in to any given show and count the number of drug adds you see over the course of the program. I've done it. In an hour, I counted 23 drug commercials.(most of which were repeats of the same drug ad I'd seen during the last commercial break.)

Who else does as much? Car comapnies and insurace companies. Yet, somehow, pot is still illegal.

I've never heard of a pot head die of an over does, at least not until his doctors got involved.

Welcome to Costco, I love you!

Smokers have never died of a tobacco overdose, but that doesn't prove that cigarettes are harmless. I've never smoked marijuana, but with the way that people who do talk about it, I have trouble believing it's not an addiction of some kind.

Anyways, I agree with you about the over abundance of drug ads on TV. With as willing as doctors are to prescribe medication to patients, it's almost like being a doctor has become nothing more than being a state-sponsored drug dealer.

[Devil King]

Smokers have never died of a tobacco overdose, but that doesn't prove that cigarettes are harmless. I've never smoked marijuana, but with the way that people who do talk about it, I have trouble believing it's not an addiction of some kind.

Anyways, I agree with you about the over abundance of drug ads on TV. With as willing as doctors are to prescribe medication to patients, it's almost like being a doctor has become nothing more than being a state-sponsored drug dealer.

No one has ever died of a tobacco overdose. They've died from the long-term results of smoking. I smoke cigarettes, and I know it's bad for me. I knew it was bad for me before I started. (I actually did it to impress a girl, which is ironic since i am not actually interested in them in a sexual manner.) I just wanted to be cool in front of the coolest girl in school, who happened to like me. I've never met anyone who was physically addicted to marijuana. But I have met a number of people who are mentally addicted to pot, however. This is a factor that is far too often dismissed by addiction specialists. People get addicted to the idea of being high, not to actually smoking pot. This is why pot is so often labelled as a gateway drug; people who abuse it aren't addicted to it, they simply substitue it with something else in their desire to be high. The drug in question isn't the issue, it's the addicts mental need to be high that causes it. (Sure, one can label pot as the instagator, but there are any number of other ways they would have experienced the high, be it booze or coccain or heroine) I realize this because I have my own issues with alcohol. When I stopped drinking, I had physical reactions. I sweated for no reason; I couldn't go to the bathroom; my hands shook; my skin dried out; I couldn't sleep; and on and on. These things never happed when I was out of pot. I hated it, but I had no pysical reactions. I couldn't sleep, but I never had a physiological reaction to it's absense from my system.

As for the rest of your post, I cosign it...especially since it was my point from the beginning. Now that you understand it, what are you willing to do about it? It's just a shame we have to go to "speciaity" stores like Whole Foods or the Fresh Market to find a piece of chicken that isn't pumped full of hormones and preservatives. The industries that provide us with our food rely on our unwillingness to walk that extra 20 blocks or drive those extra 12 miles to pay more for a product that won't kill us. (and the speciality market does the same, only in reverse) Would that extra effort really be that bad? It's exercise, ta boot! Drug ads are not my point.

[Tycho]

I like and agree with Devil King's positions on the pharmaceutical / medical industry.

As someone who's severely dependent upon this cabal now, I appreciate the truth being posted.

However, I don't see any escape for myself. :cry:

[Kidhuman]

One thing here, were they allprescribed by the same doctor? If not how many doctors did he go to to get different drugs. Didnt he know about side effects of mixng 2 painkillers and sleeping pills? I dont think it was accidental at all.

[Jedi_Kal-El]

One thing here, were they allprescribed by the same doctor? If not how many doctors did he go to to get different drugs. Didnt he know about side effects of mixng 2 painkillers and sleeping pills? I dont think it was accidental at all.

Did they even say that they were all prescribed to him? I know alot of ppl I work with like to trade prescription drugs or just sell them outright.

[Kidhuman]

I am unsure if they were prescribed to him, very possible he bought them, but that is pure speculation

[Devil King]

I like and agree with Devil King's positions on the pharmaceutical / medical industry.

As someone who's severely dependent upon this cabal now, I appreciate the truth being posted.

However, I don't see any escape for myself. :cry:


Are you talking about mood stabalizers? Or do you have a condition, like Diabetes? If that's too personal, I understand.

[Tycho]

No. I have polycystic kidney disease. It's hereditary kidney failure from the inability to process protein and get the leftovers out of the body.

It can cause (and did in my case) brain aneurysms from the high blood pressure, but you mostly would die from blood poisoning.

The medacines are blood thinners, blood pressure regulators, anti-hypertension stuff, "water pills," beta-blockers. Some of those things are the same things. I'd just be a whole lot worse and die sooner without them.

The only "cure" is a kidney transplant for which I'm waiting. I've been listed in that emergency condition for 1 year and 4 months now. Usually, a patient waits 5 years or so until someone who matches up and donates their organs die. However, I may have a living donor, as people can survive with 1 kidney.

[Devil King]

No. I have polycystic kidney disease. It's hereditary kidney failure from the inability to process protein and get the leftovers out of the body.

It can cause (and did in my case) brain aneurysms from the high blood pressure, but you mostly would die from blood poisoning.

The medacines are blood thinners, blood pressure regulators, anti-hypertension stuff, "water pills," beta-blockers. Some of those things are the same things. I'd just be a whole lot worse and die sooner without them.

The only "cure" is a kidney transplant for which I'm waiting. I've been listed in that emergency condition for 1 year and 4 months now. Usually, a patient waits 5 years or so until someone who matches up and donates their organs die. However, I may have a living donor, as people can survive with 1 kidney.

Well, that's the kind of situation I'm not really addressing. (despite my belief that many "genetic" conditions are a long-term result of our lifestyles, much like the many diseases that afflict black Americans) Your situation is what should be the actual focus of the medical industry; solving problems for which we are not responsible. What I'm actually addressing is the damage control factor that has become the main focus of the pharmacutical industry. The usage of the term "industry" is where the actual disconnect becomes apparent. An industry can only come to be as a result of human need or desire, because any industry has to turn a profit to sustain itself. And the medical need we have in this country is a direct result of our very human desire to be happy. It's just unfortunate that we measure our happiness based on our consuption. The majority of the medical industry is based on fixing the problems we have, which are, 9 times out of 10, the result of what we do to ourselves. (furthered by the food industry, that preys on our willingness to ignore the ingredients label on our food. It's always best to hide out in the open, furthering the notion of transparency. But the only real result is that we wrap ourselves in a false sense of security because of the implied transparency that leads us to believe that no wrong can come about if full disclosure is required) This is why we have a hair pill and a boner pill, long before we have a cancer pill. (which is actually a false example, because to have a leveled cure, the disease or condition in question has to have a leveled causality) We come up with an antidote for the headache, rather than addressing the cause of the headache.