LOTR worshippers.....

[Emperor Howdy]

I saw LOTR this weekend, and need to get something out:

1) I've read all of the novels, seen the animated features, and found the movie to be pretty cool...........BUT:

2) To say that it de-thrones Star Wars is TOTALLY ridiculous.....it wasn't THAT cool, no matter what anybody says. "Wow....golly jeepers!!....the opening battle with Sauron was incredible!!".....yeah..it was.....but even the opening battle in Saving Private Ryan was much better.

3) Yeah, yeah.....the book is the book and the movie is the movie....but there were still SEVERAL inconsistancies.

4) VERY visually stunning....but so were all the Star Wars, even TPM....and I'm sure AOTC will be very eye-catching too.

5) To say this is the greatest movie of all time is absurd....the ones who preach that are obviously the same nerds who wore cloaks to the premiere.

Bottom line....great flick that stayed relatively loyal to the novel....but to rag or compare Star Wars to it is apples and oranges......and like it or not, only in someone's wildest dreams will LOTR EVER make the international and multi-generational impact that SW did, does, and will.....

[Wolfwood319]

Whether someone feels that FOTR was the greatest movie of all time, its their opinion. If they feel it is better than Star Wars, so be it.

LOTR has already made an international, multi-generational impact, more so than Star Wars, and has been around much longer. That's why they took 3 years to make movies about it.

FOTR completely blows TPM and ROTJ out of the water, from a singular film stand point.

Just becaus it has inconsistantcies with the book doesn't take away from the fact that it was an excellent film.

Sounds to me that your just upset that the film had more of an impact than Star Wars had, more specifically Star Wars in the last 3 years.

What did you wear to the first showing of TPM, I'm curious?

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Originally posted by Emperor Howdy
To say this is the greatest movie of all time is absurd....the ones who preach that are obviously the same nerds who wore cloaks to the premiere.





"The number one movie this weekend was Lord of the Rings, which has taken in $94 million. It's especially amazing because no one who went brought a date." -- Conan O'Brien --

[bigbarada]

Star Wars fans calling LOTR fans 'geeks.' Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! Geez, get a life, people!

IMO, LOTR the book will always be better than Star Wars. Why? Because it was one of the main sources of inspiration for Star Wars (and D&D, Legend of Zelda, Final Fantasy, Led Zeppelin music, Beatles films, etc.). FOTR the film, moved me more than Ep1, ROTJ and ESB combined so I choose that as my favorite film. You don't like it? Well, I don't seem to remember your opinion mattering to me at all.

[derek]

i liked lord of the rings a lot, but what i really liked was the way the movie was filmed, acted and directed. how i wish star wars had this " serious look" to it, while staying true to the star wars mythology.

but i think you are right emperor howdy. star wars will be, in the long run, much more influential and longer lasting than LOTR, even though star wars may have borrowed from it.

[SithDroid]

I loved the LOTR movie. Also I believe, that Star Wars has had a larger impact than the LOTR series. Not everyone has read the books, I for one. Not everyone will go and see the movie. Only time will tell if LOTR becomes larger than Star Wars. But who cares because their number one competitor is Harry Potter. I like all three equally and am glad to have variety.

[Mike Troxell]

2) To say that it de-thrones Star Wars is TOTALLY ridiculous.....it wasn't THAT cool, no matter what anybody says. "Wow....golly jeepers!!....the opening battle with Sauron was incredible!!".....yeah..it was.....but even the opening battle in Saving Private Ryan was much better.

All a matter of personal preference, my good man. And while the opening battle of Saving Private Ryan (and the just-as-good if less hyped end battle) might be better, that does nothing to shame Lord of the Rings, because the SPR battles are top-of-the-line, and arguably the best film battles in history.

but to rag or compare Star Wars to it is apples and oranges......and like it or not, only in someone's wildest dreams will LOTR EVER make the international and multi-generational impact that SW did, does, and will.....

Hmmmm....making the good old "apples and oranges" defense and then immediately thereafter comparing pears and grapefruits? Interesting :crazed:

[bigbarada]

Actually, LOTR made the international and multi-generational impact that Star Wars did. Only twenty years before Star Wars.

Like it or not, Star Wars in not the only worthwhile franchise out there. There are tons of others, including LOTR and Star Trek. Trying to proclaim that one is better than the other and the fans of that one are somehow less geeky than everyone else is ludicrous. What's even worse is the presumption that a person cannot be fans of more than one at a time. What's to stop me from liking LOTR and Star Wars equally? Nothing!

BTW, Caesar, I think Conan O'Brien used that exact same joke for Ep1 and don't be surprised to hear it again when Ep2 premieres.

From my experience in the theaters, for LOTR and Star Wars, most guys didn't need to bring dates since they already had their wives and families with them.

[Mike Troxell]

Originally posted by bigbarada
From my experience in the theaters, for LOTR and Star Wars, most guys didn't need to bring dates since they already had their wives and families with them.

True, although I must say I get the occasional VERY weird person to see LOTR when I'm selling tickets :D

Luckily I haven't had to worry about the carny folk ;) who come out for Star Wars and Star Trek yet, although they're both bound to change this year.

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Originally posted by bigbarada
BTW, Caesar, I think Conan O'Brien used that exact same joke for Ep1 and don't be surprised to hear it again when Ep2 premieres.


Yeah, I was reading an entertainment magazine and they put that quote in there. I wanted to throw it in to point out that the whole genre is stereotyped that way, and it's foolish to label LOTR fans as goofy from a SW perspective, and vice versa.

Case in point - the same magazine used their own bit about the Seattle AOTC line guys, and I'll quote, " Star Wars: Episode II Two fans are already waiting in line outside a Seattle theater for the May 16 opening. Yet they didn't have to cancel one date."

It'll be the same for Nemesis, The Two Towers, Epsiode III, etc.

[Jargo]

I changed my mind about entering this debate, I'm editing out everything I just typed in here. I really can't be bothered with it all after all.

[Emperor Howdy]

Whoa, whoa.....I didn't call anyone a "geek".....I said "nerd". :crazed: .................and I wasn't calling fans of LOTR nerds.....I was calling the guys who wear cloaks to the movie nerds. The same goes for the guys dressed as Han Solo and Luke Skywalker at the theatre.....but you know what? I'll retract that statement. There might be some people here who enjoy doing that to express their love for the series, and I'm all about freedom of expression, so my apologies to anyone wielding lightsabers at AOTC. Besides, I'M a LOTR fan, so I wouldn't want to call myself a nerd....................well.......sometimes I'm a nerd with my collection..:stupid:

bigbarada: I wasn't attacking you, man. Nobody said there isn't room for another group or "franchise" of films (The Godfather, Star Wars, Rocky, Terminator, Nightmare on Elm Street, Friday the 13th, Halloween, Hellraiser, blah blah, and now LOTR)....what I said was that I thought it was a bold statement to say THE MOVIE (not the book) blows Star Wars out of the water. If that's the way you see it, that's all you bro.....all I'm saying is I don't see it that way. I do agree with you about the books, though. They've been around a lot longer and made their impact in their own right (yeah, I know Robert Plant makes constant reference, but the Beatles?!?), but I didn't leave the MOVIE saying "Star Who"?

wolfwood319: "Sounds to me that your just upset that the film had more of an impact than Star Wars had, more specifically Star Wars in the last 3 years."................err....umm.....
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/days/opening.htm...........*cough-cough*.....http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/weekends/.......if you say so....http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/world/


Look, it's all about opinion. Yeah, I probably am upset when I see people putting down Star Wars......that is, after all, why we're all here......but who knows....maybe after all is said and done, the LOTR movie adaptation might take the crown. My point was not to put down LOTR, but rather to defend what will always be, in my mind atleast, one kick-freakin-arse line of movies.

[bigbarada]

The Beatles made a movie called Help! which was about John Lennon trying to get rid of a cursed ring. It is generally seen as a good-natured parody of LOTR. Plus John and Yoko expressed interest in making a LOTR movie starring themselves; but thankfully they never got the film rights.:stupid:

I hear what you're saying Emperor Howdy and I did misunderstand your previous comments. Thanks for clearing that up for me. No hard feelings right?:)

[2-1B]

Jargo, won't you please reconsider? I enjoy reading your posts :)