What was the point of Grievous's ship's bridge being the Emp Throne Room layout?

[JediTricks]

I'm a huge fan of the technical and aesthetic aspects of Star Wars, so I notice them a lot more of the time. One thing I found jarring and didn't understand the relevance of was the room where Chancellor Palpatine was being held on Grievous's battleship at the beginning of the movie, the issue being that this room had almost every aspect of the Emperor's throne room aboard the Death Star II in ROTJ, the same chair, same round control surface things, other stuff like that. At first I thought it was suggesting that the same entity that made the ship also made the Death Star, but then we see that same black Palpatine chair in his office later on in the movie and that didn't jive. Any thoughts?
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[darko666]

i noticed that also. i didn't see the need to reproduce the throne room in Grievous's ship. to be honest, it just seemed out of place. GL was trying once again to bridge the movies. it also seemed to be an odd place to hold Palpatine captive. he was just sitting there in this big room with no one watching him. plus he got an incredible view of the battle. i'm guessing the room had such an impact on palp, that he used the specs and created it for himself on the second death star. :D

[2-1B]

My jokey side wants to say that whoever built IG-88's CPU into DS2 took the bridge from the wreckage and put that into the new station as well. lol

I just think it's a visual tie to ROTJ, we see Anakin execute a disabled servant Tyrannus just as we might see Luke execute a disabled servant Vader.

I'm not very informed on the technical aspects of all these vehicles and environments. :)

[Sith Lord 0498]

i noticed that also. i didn't see the need to reproduce the throne room in Grievous's ship. to be honest, it just seemed out of place. GL was trying once again to bridge the movies. it also seemed to be an odd place to hold Palpatine captive. he was just sitting there in this big room with no one watching him. plus he got an incredible view of the battle. i'm guessing the room had such an impact on palp, that he used the specs and created it for himself on the second death star. :D

I too believe that it was an attempt to bridge the two films. The Anakin vs. Dooku battle was meant to mirror the Luke vs. Vader duel in Episode VI with Palpatine trying to influence both Skywalkers to the Dark Side. The layout of the room furthered this parallel. The problem, however, is that Lucas did such a choppy, rushed editing job with the first 30 minutes of ROTS that the duel was shortened far too much. Most of Palpatine's commentary/goading was lost, and the parallel between the duels was lost as a result.

[Veers]

I noticed that also. A definite link to ROTJ.

[2-1B]

I don't think the parallel is lost, in fact I think it's pretty obvious. As to the cutting of the goading, MEH ! there was plenty of that later when Palps set to work in his office. :crazed:

[Sentinel18725]

Unless George comes out with some great commentary, this was a horrible idea. I feel that this was too drastic of an attempt to have parallel's between the two sets of movies. A duel in front of Palpatine is fine, but change the background. Come on!

[JON9000]

I thought it was a fine idea. Not only is the bridge the same, but there is a battle in the background. I believe the point is to up the stakes in the ROTJ final battle. You've seen the Emperor at work before having a showdown between would-be apprentices and you saw what happened in ROTS. The visual cues are there simply to make the connection even more powerful.

BTW, I loved the look of betrayal Dooku made towards Palps at the end.

[Surge38]

Actually, I think it not only makes sense thematiclly, but also logiclly.

The geonosians designed the Death Star. Considering the movie implies the Death Star takes 20 years to complete, lets assume the second Death Star started contruction not long after, or at LEAST was designed around the same time.

The invisible hand was a ship of the seperatists, so that implies it was also designed by the geonosians.

The Return of the Jedi Duel takes place in the Emporer's observation tower. The Duel in Revenge of the Sith takes place in the Invisible Hand's Observation tower.

What that tells me, is the Geonosians have a standard design for observation towers, the same way my Dad's Dodge Caravan has a very similar console to one in my Dodge Neon.

As for the Chair, who says the Geonosians had to fabricate EVERYTHING? When a construction company builds and office building, the don't make the furniture from scratch to go with it. They go to an Office depot and select furniture to fill it with. Especially considering the Commerce guilds were involved as well, it would seem to me Palps was on a standard executive model swiveling chair from the core world's equivilent of Officemax.

[good shot jansen]

i actually like the "throne room" on greivious's cruiser. what i took from the movie, is that this is dooku's secret santum aboard the ship, and as such, darth sideous would meet with dooku at this location from time to time.

i'm sure there are other "throne rooms" scattered around the galaxy (emipre), to serve as sideous's meditation, and order giving space, even if he visits these locations only once, or even never. they are there just in case he does indeed make a visit.

the "throne room was actually one of the things that i really appreciated, and was glad to see in any of the prequels.

[JediTricks]

The look of the throne room in ROTJ is based on the bridge of the Death Star from ANH, with those round "blossom" control stations, so it seems like a parallel to the wrong thing here. Also, from what I read on SW.com the top of the ship is supposed to be a communications room which got turned into Grievous's place, which then was taken over by Dooku.

Up until now, we haven't had the prequels straight-up rip off the look of something that was totally different from an OT item, the bridge of the Venator Star Destroyer in ROTS makes sense that it'd look like the bridge of the OT Star Destroyer because they're basically the same thing. However, the Death Star is a far different item from Grievous's Invisible Hand, the only thing in common is the concept of a tower spire (though they're vastly-different looking from each other) and the room itself.


Actually, I think it not only makes sense thematiclly, but also logiclly.

The geonosians designed the Death Star. Considering the movie implies the Death Star takes 20 years to complete, lets assume the second Death Star started contruction not long after, or at LEAST was designed around the same time.

The invisible hand was a ship of the seperatists, so that implies it was also designed by the geonosians.

The Return of the Jedi Duel takes place in the Emporer's observation tower. The Duel in Revenge of the Sith takes place in the Invisible Hand's Observation tower.

What that tells me, is the Geonosians have a standard design for observation towers, the same way my Dad's Dodge Caravan has a very similar console to one in my Dodge Neon. Except that the Invisible Hand was originally a Trade Federation warship and the EU says it was designed for Nute Gunray and his Trade Fed cohorts before Grievous was placed in command of Seperatist forces and took the ship for himself. So your Dodge Neon/Dodge Caravan metaphor doesn't hold (and might I point out that car makers make a lot of changes in rather short amounts of time, a '93 Caravan's interior would be very dissimilar from an '05), it'd be like saying that your Dodge Neon's interior has a very similar console to your dad's Webber gas BBQ.

[Surge38]

Except that the Invisible Hand was originally a Trade Federation warship and the EU says it was designed for Nute Gunray and his Trade Fed cohorts before Grievous was placed in command of Seperatist forces and took the ship for himself. So your Dodge Neon/Dodge Caravan metaphor doesn't hold (and might I point out that car makers make a lot of changes in rather short amounts of time, a '93 Caravan's interior would be very dissimilar from an '05), it'd be like saying that your Dodge Neon's interior has a very similar console to your dad's Webber gas BBQ.

I suppose it depends on when they were designed. My Car is an 04, and my dad's is a 2000 model. Same console.

As far as the EU goes...unfortunatly for fans of the books, comics, sourcebooks, ect...that stuff was never officially cannon. Lord knows dozens of this from the EU have been disproven by the movies. If Nute Gunray had a warship, it surely would have been in the blockade of Naboo. More than likely, warships started to be churned out because of/during the war. And even if it IS gunray's ship, who says a trade franchise builds thier own ships? That's like assuming Fedex has an automotive factory to produce thier own trucks. Who says the Geonosians didn't design it anyway?

Mind you, all of this is speculative anyway, but I see no reason my explanation isn't as possible as any other....

[JediTricks]

The Invisible Hand is an EU title, the ship is described as "Trade Federation cruiser":
http://www.starwars.com/databank/starship/tradefederationcruiser/index.html

What I don't understand is why this Trade Fed ship is SO different from their Ep 1 and Ep 2 Battleships (the donuts, of which we see the central sphere on Utapau). According to the BTS listing, it was originally a Banking Clan ship which explains why it looks different but not why the room looks like the DS 1 and 2.

I suppose your explanation is possible, but it seems a bit far-fetched as the ship had so little else in common with the Death Star that I could see. Like the bridge set which seemed kinda like the Trade Fed bridge from Ep 1.

[Surge38]

The Invisible Hand is an EU title, the ship is described as "Trade Federation cruiser":
http://www.starwars.com/databank/starship/tradefederationcruiser/index.html

What I don't understand is why this Trade Fed ship is SO different from their Ep 1 and Ep 2 Battleships (the donuts, of which we see the central sphere on Utapau). According to the BTS listing, it was originally a Banking Clan ship which explains why it looks different but not why the room looks like the DS 1 and 2.

I suppose your explanation is possible, but it seems a bit far-fetched as the ship had so little else in common with the Death Star that I could see. Like the bridge set which seemed kinda like the Trade Fed bridge from Ep 1.

Keep in mind too, one is a battleship, one is a MOON SIZED SPACE STATION. :D Those are two radically differnet things as far as design is concerned, so while an observation deck may be a standard design, they wouldn't have to share other design characteristics, even if they were designed by the same species. Along a different line of thinking, I suppose there could be standard accepted design for observation decks across the board in the SW galaxy.

[jedi-cpa]

I think the point was to show that although he was "captive" it was exactly where he intended to be.