Scene By Scene: Favorite Figures Never Made Before

[dindae]

Herme Odel, Jabba the Hutt’s Palace

[Rocketboy]

I'll vote for the one I think might be least-likely to stay on without my support: Padme Black Leather Temptation and just hope that others here want a really good Anakin and a new Luke from the Medical Frigate ship.Thank you for saving her, now I can vote for the new Anakin, Jedi Apprentice, as long as it's like the Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon from TPM.

[Droid]

I'd hoped someone else would do this so I wouldn't have to, but I'll save:

Advoze, Bom Vimdim, Mos Eisley Cantina.

I certainly hope that someone bumps Owen, the Saurin, and the Nightlilly up the list. I worry about having to try and save them in the next round!

Funny how Beru now outranks Owen even though he already beat her in direct competition. :rolleyes:

[Tycho]

Thank you for saving her, now I can vote for the new Anakin, Jedi Apprentice, as long as it's like the Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon from TPM.

It is.

I certainly hope that someone bumps Owen, the Saurin, and the Nightlilly up the list. I worry about having to try and save them in the next round!

They probably will save Owen at least for sure, but since everyone has "last chances" as write-ins, (like you just had with Bom Vimdim) people can get other characters they want more written in if they have to save those characters first. (Why you voted for Vimdim instead of Owen this round). But it forces one-person-sponsored figures off the list (like my Padmes I wanted so badly) if the group doesn't support them.

You'll have 3 characters "in danger" next round, and have to choose your favorite this way (or decide which one is least likely to get support from someone else). If another one of your characters has strong enough merit, somebody else will save them - thereby making our list more representative of everyone's demands, not just your personal favorites.



Funny how Beru now outranks Owen even though he already beat her in direct competition

Yes, but when all unsupported figures fall off the list and we have just 50 in our Top 50, we can then vote for our favorite again, with no one falling off the list, and Owen might outrank Beru again. However, like I said, it doesn't really matter that much - the characters are all on the list and just because Yarna ranks first or something, doesn't mean Hasbro won't decide they need to pick on of our Luke's and get a Skywalker back on the pegs first.

However, the last 7 characters that can come in as challengers are pretty weak in my opinion (next is a strong one though: E2 Obi-Wan Kenobi - Jedi Robes), but after that, folks might be able to fight out their last write-ins and then get the list ranked pretty good as to preference. I mean it's happening as we go along - R2 Lightsaber has really climbed! And most of the bottom of the list now are write-ins that only 1-2 people supported before.

Remember, originally almost everyone supported individual round winners, representative of our Top 20 (twenty) and all the others that came on our list we gave to Hasbro had marginal amounts of votes behind them (Padme in the Yellow Dress by the Waterfalls - 4 votes total).

A final poll when no one can fall off will help decide last "rankings" when we get there.

See it all works out and Droid, you're even starting to see some wisdom in how this system is working.

I hope JediTricks and B'Omarr Monkey are reading these posts still, and realizing how stuff's coming together here.

In my final reports, I'll compare:

Presnt Top 50.................Hasbro's List

1) figure name (old rank)...old number 1) and new figure rank

We'll see how accurate we were before.

Who fell off.

Who added on.

I think this will work out amazingly well! :)

[Tycho]

Droid, Rocketboy, see post above.

Hellboy
PlasticFetish
Deoxy
Slicker
Kidhuman
Brandon
El Chuxter (2 votes behind, see TOP of last page, Luke Jedi poll)



Choose the character you want to be kept on the figures-to-be-made list from:

Anakin Skywalker Jedi Apprentice ("Vader" robes)
12) Moff Jerjerrod, Death Star II Commander, Endor
13) General Tagge, Death Star Conference Table
14) Jango Fett out of armor, Kamino Apartment
15) Lando Calrissian Smugglers Gear, end of ESB
16) Slim Aloo, Imperial Dignitary
17) Queen Jamilla
18) Rep Teers
19) Captain Daultay Dofine, Niemodian
20) Herme Odel, Jabba the Hutt’s Palace
21) Ben Quadrinaros, Podracer
22) Rebel Flight Technician, Yavin Base
23) Major Bren Derlin, Hoth Echo Base
24) Sgt. Doallyn, Jabba’s Palace
25) Tonbuck Toora, Separatist Leader
26) Han Solo screaming in Bespin Torture Chair
27) Beru Whitesun, from AOTC
28) Tonnika Sister, Mos Eisley Cantina
29) Luke Skywalker Endor Gear
30) Padme in her Nightgown, Kohoun Attack
31) Treva Horme, Cloud City Alien
32) Keeolkeech, Ewok Warrior
33) Commander Tey How, Niemoidian with sensors in eyes and mouth
34) R2-D2 Lightsaber Launcher resculpt
35) Reegesk the Ranat, Mos Eisley Cantina
36) Klaatu, remake of vintage figure from Jabba's
37) Chief Chirpa, Ewok Leader
38) R5D4
39) Givin, Elris Helrot, Mos Eisley Cantina
40) Gragga Chubba Vendor, catches JarJar in Mos Espa
41) General Veers, Imperial Officer w. removeable Hoth Armor
42) Colonel Wulf Yularen, Imperial Conference Table
43) Biggs Darklighter, Academy Uniform, ANH Lost Scenes
44) Torryn Farr, Hoth Echo Base
45) Clone Trooper in Red, out of armor
46) M'iiyoom Onith, Nightlily from Mos Eisley Cantina
47) Saurin, Hrcheck Kal Fas
48) Young Owen Lars
49) CZ-3 from Mos Eisley Spaceport
50) Luke Skywalker, Rebel Medical Frigate

[Hellboy]

Well I'd really like to see CZ-3 made so I'll cast a strategic vote to keep it from falling off later.

[Kidhuman]

Young Owen

[JediTricks]

Tycho's system, though imperfect in my opinion, is addressing some problems in the initial list. For instance, Padme Return to Naboo decimated the choices in its individual poll, but I assume that most of us would rather have many, many original trilogy characters rather than Padme Return to Naboo. The way Tycho is doing this will help to shake out some of the inherent problems with the scene by scene polling that went on.Exactly! JediTricks and now possibly B'Omarr Monkey did not understand this.Exactly WRONG! I got why you were doing "new additions" to the ladder system and didn't question that, I questioned why you were encouraging strategic voting, why you were starting polls with slanted results before everybody had voted, why you were allowing write-ins to come back in at the top of the ladder, and why it only took 1 person to do a write-in save instead of 2. And your explanations ranged from woefully poor to non-existant to sprawling rants that were unfathomable - I think you let your arrogance and ego invested in this poll overshadow the issue at hand, you refuse to recognize and reflect upon the inherent flaws in this poll system, instead bashing anybody who doesn't agree with you.

When JediTricks said we're not being representative of all SW collectors, I disagree and are probably close. Remember when you posed a hypothetical poll about that in this thread and you got responses from several users who said this list was at best only 50% close? That's not very close. The order is important here, it determines who is in the top 50 characters that we're going to send to Hasbro because without rank in here we could not determine who are the top 50 figures out of these 200+ options.

And my post-padding complaint is still a concern, you've posted 170 times in this thread, nearly double the next-closest post count from KH, dindae, and Droid who all have posts here in the 90s, and then 5 more users have between 50 and 70 posts here. That would be fine if I thought this thread were actually an accurate, fair poll, but it's clearly not.

Wow, we've finally and permanently cut out 5 characters from our "overflowing" list and 4 of them were from the original group given to Hasbro. My conclusion is that the original list wasn't as refined as those who preach it was perfect say it was. And how many more have fallen off only to come back and fall off again? Don't get so holier-than-thou on this Tycho, I never claimed perfection from anything here in this poll. And keep this in mind, without Steve's help you won't be able to get an updated list to Hasbro - they have asked SSG not to allow you to talk to them anymore - and with matters of the forums Steve always comes to me for that type of advice. I've given you chance after chance to address these issues in a calm, clear manner, but each time you've made it impossible to follow your line of reasoning as you rant endlessly with exceedingly drawn-out and incomprehensible examples; if you want me to help support this thread when it comes time to take it to Hasbro, I need to have a reasonable believe in its fairness and accuracy, and currently I do not. Do you see my conundrum now? Or are you still convinced I'm just being petty, because let me assure you, I am NOT.


Tycho, I never said the list submitted to Hasbro at the convention was perfect, if you were including me in that remark. And I admit, I like this list more than the list submitted at the convention. My objections were to changing the game from figure you want most to figure you want on the list, the fact that new contenders placed so highly without earning it, and that save votes had so much power. That was one of my chief concerns as well, and like you Droid I also never said it was perfect or even remotely close. Please don't consider this thread indicative of the rest of the forums, it is NOT.

[plasticfetish]

Let's bump Saurin, Hrcheck Kal Fas up the list.

[Tycho]

JediTricks, I'm not going to comment too much right now, not because I want to be evasive, but because I like you, and I don't want to be in a anger-management session all throughout this thread with you.

I'll touch on a couple things quickly:


Exactly WRONG! I got why you were doing "new additions" to the ladder system

Good. And I think you understand that I used the original vote counts to determine which characters got to challenge the lists' supremacy.

and didn't question that, I questioned why you were encouraging strategic voting,

Go ahead and again define what you find ill about strategic voting if you care to.

The way I saw it is that if person A wants Han, Luke, and Leia, and person B wants Anakin, Obi-Wan, and Padme, and there are 4 slots, then by voting for their favorites, they'd sort of rank them (compounded with everyone else's vote). By allowing the write-ins, it'd get down to what person "C"s preference was because while A and B fight for everything they want, C can decide which has more merit as eventually A or B will have to choose only 1 out of 2 of their's that must drop, and C can decide if the remaining one has any more merit for the whole group - or if it finally drops.

Once no one can drop - after all the potential add-in challengers have had their shot, a new favorite-only voting thing can rank them correctly.

As to the characters coming in higher, they (like Han Yavin Ceremony) fall off if they can't be supported, and they stay (like your R2 Lightsaber) if they are widely wanted by the group.


why you were starting polls with slanted results before everybody had voted,

I shouldn't have cut the corners on any regulars due to my impatience. Yet I made it so people could accurately back vote and I calculated that into how it effected the list. I used a color-code system in Word to track the votes on the list. It's worked out great. But you are right -I can't wait to see how the final list is going to turn out - partially because I want to compare new ranks with the old ones, as I think there will be some reordering, but logical ranking shown by our efforts. Don't get me wrong, doing this has been fun, but you've pointed to my higher amounts of posts - well the part where I'm explaining myself is not so fun. At the end, I think then will be the best time for you to comment or criticize (as well as everyone) when we see the final results and discuss them.



why you were allowing write-ins to come back in at the top of the ladder, and why it only took 1 person to do a write-in save instead of 2.

There were so few of us participating, it seemed right to let everyone get a character or 2 they were really supporting and let them keep them on the list. BattleDroid is heavily into Trade Federation figures - and though they haven't really been threatened, my Padme figures I'd liked have gone through the wringer. I've lost 2 of them now, perhaps rightly so. They made the list for their original votes, but they are obviously not as well supported over classic figures by the group. In spite of me writing them in at higher and higher ranks as we've moved up the poll, 2 of them have fallen off. How did the system fail? I didn't have the votes to keep them on - I had to choose between other figures I'd like or these Padmes. If others wanted her so bad, they could have written her in. Very democratic. Very fair. I put Padme Outland Peasant Disguise (an original list member) back in like 3 times I think. She fell off at last because I was her last line of support and I think I had to choose between her and some other character I wanted more. I'd like to have her back, but even I had my opportunity and made a choice.


And your explanations ranged from woefully poor to non-existant to sprawling rants that were unfathomable - I think you let your arrogance and ego invested in this poll overshadow the issue at hand, you refuse to recognize and reflect upon the inherent flaws in this poll system, instead bashing anybody who doesn't agree with you.

I have my personality flaws too. ;)

Remember when you posed a hypothetical poll about that in this thread and you got responses from several users who said this list was at best only 50% close? That's not very close.

People said this was how many figures they wanted were actually on the list. When my process is finished in another 9 votes, we'll re-evaluate how well the new lists represents everyone. But getting at least half of what you want is good. There are other people participating here. No one can expect to have it all their way and only their way.

The order is important here, it determines who is in the top 50 characters that we're going to send to Hasbro because without rank in here we could not determine who are the top 50 figures out of these 200+ options.

I'd say a majority of the Top 100 vote-getters are all getting their chance to come back as challengers to see if they make the Top 50. We're going to also review all the characters that did NOT make it on the list, and I think this will have worked out well. When we review, I'll ask everyone if they agree.

Once we have a CLOSED Top 50, we can rank them inside of that. As far as the figures now falling off the bottom - the write-in allows them to be saved if at least one person thinks they have merit. Meanwhile, if they don't (like Han Yavin Ceremony) they won't last long no matter how high they come in.


And my post-padding complaint is still a concern, you've posted 170 times in this thread, nearly double the next-closest post count from KH, dindae, and Droid who all have posts here in the 90s, and then 5 more users have between 50 and 70 posts here. That would be fine if I thought this thread were actually an accurate, fair poll, but it's clearly not.

The post-padding comment was one of 2 things you said that made me mad.
I could personally care less how many posts I have listed under my name. I think you ought to delete that feature anyway. I care about saying what I have to say in these forums, not how many times I get to say it. What is there some kind of prize for the most posts here? Like payment of your electric bill for living on the internet ;) (at least I thought of a good idea). But I'd rather only post new rounds to vote in, not all these explanations. I've re-posted the current rounds on occasion so that people could even FIND them as we've gotten into debates here - but also some stuff about who Tonbuck Toora is, and other kinds of Q&A's - like Hasbro's Comic Con comments.


And how many more have fallen off only to come back and fall off again? Don't get so holier-than-thou on this Tycho, I never claimed perfection from anything here in this poll. And keep this in mind, without Steve's help you won't be able to get an updated list to Hasbro

I just intend to walk up to them at Celebration 3 with the list in hand, just like at ComicCon. I don't do any more regular reporting here. I'm no longer on staff - I just did special assignments like Comic Con. But I NEVER did Toy Reporting in the first place.

Anyways, Hasbro is there to talk to everybody at events, and any one of us can walk up to them and hand them their list of "crash-test-dummy-StarWars figures they want" if that's their thing. I either have some report with Jeff, Brian, Andy (who's not on SW anymore) or they just patronize me. I think it's the former. In any case, they took an interest in our efforts here and I was given contact information to reach one of the SW Team members, though I don't think bothering the company on marketing decisions is the right way to go about it. If I wanted to make marketing decisions personally, I should apply for a job.

- they have asked SSG not to allow you to talk to them anymore - and with matters of the forums Steve always comes to me for that type of advice.

So you'd be sure to tell Steve or folks at Hasbro how much you loathe me. And that would accomplish what?

And anyone here (on staff) controls who I talk to exactly how? I don't claim to represent the site except when I'm on assignment for Steve at Comic Con or other events I cover - but again I don't cover TOYS and Hasbro knows this. If I find out any toy news, I tell it to Steve or give him my notes, because that's his thing - and what HIS site is all about. I don't forget that.

All I can tell Hasbro is that a bunch of us on these forums made THIS list, and here is the link to the discussion as to how we came about it (with all this fun philosophical stuff we argue over added for their entertainment :D )


I've given you chance after chance to address these issues in a calm, clear manner, but each time you've made it impossible to follow your line of reasoning as you rant endlessly with exceedingly drawn-out and incomprehensible examples; if you want me to help support this thread when it comes time to take it to Hasbro, I need to have a reasonable believe in its fairness and accuracy, and currently I do not.

When I finish doing what I'm doing, and the majority here seem fine with it the way it's going, I'll let everyone else speak up and tell you what they think of the final results, the means getting there, and what they want you to do with the results.

I started the thread, and I think it's fun doing this, not knowing how it's all going to turn out, competing in some ways for my own less-popular favorites (and my popular ones - like we all want the black Bespin Security Guard) but I don't need the glory of taking the list to Hasbro - there's no reward in that. They'll say "oh - this guy has a lot of time to waste on the internet thinking about our products." But they might say "a lot of people want these figures," and "this one, and that one, etc. go along with our marketing plans. These'll be ok - let's make this Luke Endor instead of Luke Tatooine again."

As to starting the thread? Look at El Chuxter's Most-Wanted Unleashed thread - I don't need to start the thread, but if I want to participate in the discussion and the thread doesn't exist, well of course I'll start it if it seems like a good idea. I don't sit around and pat myself on the back and say "ooo- look, I started a 1000-post-plus thread around here." It's something to do and a lot of us have become sort of like a little forum family posting our votes in here, stratagizing how others will vote, etc. etc.


Do you see my conundrum now? Or are you still convinced I'm just being petty, because let me assure you, I am NOT.

I see that I need to finish this poll up and then show you the results and between myself, and hopefully the majority here, we need to convince you that your concerns have been answered.

If you trust me that I want to do this, I want to demonstrate to you that your fairness criteria has been met, I hope you'll come back and vote with the rest of us in these final polls that help prioritize the list. I'm guessing that Obi-Wan Kenobi (Jedi Robes, AOTC) will be the last add-in considering the final group that qualified. I'll run the polls as they can sort the order out while the fall-offs are eliminated and eventually, the write-ins as well.


That was one of my chief concerns as well, and like you Droid I also never said it was perfect or even remotely close. Please don't consider this thread indicative of the rest of the forums, it is NOT.

I didn't understand what "was indicative of the rest of the forums." Maybe it's not important except to you and Droid (inside thing) but I didn't get that part.


Deoxy
Slicker
Chuxter
Brandon

vote on - the Anakin Skywalker (Vader robes) poll is at the top of the page. Once at least 2 more of you have voted, I'll post the next poll. No - I don't wait forever for everyone, but my method will make it so your late votes count in case you don't have time to check this thread every day.

In fact, since one or more of you might've posted while I answered these concerns, I'll just post the next poll.

Stand by.

Nevermind - none of the 4 of you have been online, so we'll wait a little longer for at least 2 of you.

[Deoxyribonucleic]

My vote goes for Luke Skywalker, Medical Frigate :)

[Droid]

I'm sorry to see that there are so many hard feelings being generated here. I know that if everyone looks back I have been one of the more vocal posters in this thread and that I have done some complaining. Some posters might even compare me to a baby (I can think of at least one who did). But I have always been trying to improve a game that I enjoy, being passionate, but hopefully good spirited. I hope that my debates with Tycho have not lessened anyone's enjoyment of this thread, or that anyone feels I have in some way dominated the thread. And I hope that no one's friendships are being damaged here. If that was the case I'd rather the thread just ended. It isn't worth it. These are just little plastic people we are talking about. The kind of anger creeping in here is one of the reasons I oppose the Rancor Pit. If people can't rank which figure they want the most without getting angry at others and starting to think less of them, how on Earth can they discuss religion and politics?

JediTricks, Tycho, I am standing here waiting to be part of a group hug. :D

If anyone needs me, I'll be outside throwing up. I think what I typed was so sappy I'm going to be sick.

[Tycho]

Let's just finish this. There are 8 polls left.

Obi-Wan Kenobi AOTC (Jedi Robes) is the new challenger. This is a neutral Obi-Wan with as much articulation as allowed by a molded cloak - so he can be super articulate - the robe will just get in the way of the backward motion of the legs. But it's basically an improvement upon the "Naboo" style of figure Obi-Wan had from TPM, except now he'll have the longer hair and the beard.

falling off the list, but available for write-in are:

Torryn Farr, Hoth Echo Base
Clone Trooper in Red, out of armor
M'iiyoom Onith, Nightlily from Mos Eisley Cantina

Choose the character you want to be kept on the figures-to-be-made list from:

Obi-Wan Kenobi, AOTC, Jedi Robes
12) Padme Black Leather Temptation
13) Commander Tey How, Niemoidian with sensors in eyes and mouth
14) Moff Jerjerrod, Death Star II Commander, Endor
15) Herme Odel, Jabba the Hutt’s Palace
16) Anakin Skywalker, Jedi Apprentice
17) Advoze, Bom Vimdim, Mos Eisley Cantina
18) CZ-3 from Mos Eisley Spaceport
19) Young Owen Lars
20) Saurin, Hrcheck Kal Fas
21) Luke Skywalker, Rebel Medical Frigate
22) General Tagge, Death Star Conference Table
23) Jango Fett out of armor, Kamino Apartment
24) Lando Calrissian Smugglers Gear, end of ESB
25) Slim Aloo, Imperial Dignitary
26) Queen Jamilla
27) Rep Teers
28) Captain Daultay Dofine, Niemodian
29) Ben Quadrinaros, Podracer
30) Rebel Flight Technician, Yavin Base
31) Major Bren Derlin, Hoth Echo Base
32) Sgt. Doallyn, Jabba’s Palace
33) Tonbuck Toora, Separatist Leader
34) Han Solo screaming in Bespin Torture Chair
35) Beru Whitesun, from AOTC
36) Tonnika Sister, Mos Eisley Cantina
37) Luke Skywalker Endor Gear
38) Padme in her Nightgown, Kohoun Attack
39) Treva Horme, Cloud City Alien
40) Keeolkeech, Ewok Warrior
41) R2-D2 Lightsaber Launcher resculpt
42) Reegesk the Ranat, Mos Eisley Cantina
43) Klaatu, remake of vintage figure from Jabba's
44) Chief Chirpa, Ewok Leader
45) R5D4
46) Givin, Elris Helrot, Mos Eisley Cantina
47) Gragga Chubba Vendor, catches JarJar in Mos Espa
48) General Veers, Imperial Officer w. removeable Hoth Armor
49) Colonel Wulf Yularen, Imperial Conference Table
50) Biggs Darklighter, Academy Uniform, ANH Lost Scenes

I'll write-in Clone Trooper in Red, out of armor

[Battle Droid]

Captain Daultay Dofine

[Kidhuman]

Torryn Farr

[dindae]

Herme Odel, Jabba the Hutt’s Palace

[Deoxyribonucleic]

EDIT: WOOOOP! I totally missed kidhuman's post. I think he posted when I was writing my post too :crazed:

so I retract my vote for Torryn Farr and vote for Miiyoom Onith, the Nightlily. :)

[Slicker]

R2 with launching saber.

[Droid]

Thanks to Deoxyribonucleic for retracting what I thought was a confusing vote and instead voting for the Nightlilly, which allows me to bump

43) Klaatu, remake of vintage figure from Jabba's

up the list.

[mastermatt24]

48) General Veers, Imperial Officer w. removeable Hoth Armor :D

[El Chuxter]

Sgt Doallyn
Bom Vimdin
Clonetrooper (Red PJ's)

[JediTricks]

I'm not going to comment too much right now I just skimmed your post, I think the above statement has been violated. ;) I understand, you were on a roll.

And I think you understand that I used the original vote counts to determine which characters got to challenge the lists' supremacy. Yup. Probably could have been adapted better with more time I suppose, I don't think the "Scene-by-Scene" poll intermeshed with this version too well.

The way I saw it is that if person A wants Han, Luke, and Leia, and person B wants Anakin, Obi-Wan, and Padme, and there are 4 slots, then by voting for their favorites, they'd sort of rank them (compounded with everyone else's vote). By allowing the write-ins, it'd get down to what person "C"s preference was because while A and B fight for everything they want, C can decide which has more merit as eventually A or B will have to choose only 1 out of 2 of their's that must drop, and C can decide if the remaining one has any more merit for the whole group - or if it finally drops.

Once no one can drop - after all the potential add-in challengers have had their shot, a new favorite-only voting thing can rank them correctly.
Here's what I don't like about this much strategic voting, the poll is supposed to determine the figures we WANT MOST from that list but strategic voting discounts that by letting 1 person's strategic vote alter the true results of what people want from that list. Look at Padme Temptation, you've strategically voted for her over and over while you yourself have said there were other figures on that list you wanted more, and Padme has continued to scrape bottom the entire time. Strategic voting isn't fair this way, it isn't a true result.

As to the characters coming in higher, they (like Han Yavin Ceremony) fall off if they can't be supported, and they stay (like your R2 Lightsaber) if they are widely wanted by the group. I never questioned having the new additions come in higher.

I shouldn't have cut the corners on any regulars due to my impatience. Yet I made it so people could accurately back vote and I calculated that into how it effected the list. In the long-term list perhaps you did, but it is IMPOSSIBLE for you to have calculated the effect on the short-term list because you've already made alterations to the next poll before those late votes are tallied. So perhaps all 4 late voters' votes would have affected those poll results with 4 figures, changing the results of 4 figures from today's poll to tomorrow's might have exponentially-growing alterations that were lost.

I think if you were so eager, the poll should have been done with 30 contenders and each voter got 2 votes per pass to get rid of the bottomfeeders, once we whittled away half the poll then it could have slipped into 15 contenders and 1 vote.

Or perhaps this should have been split up into a tournament style so quality choices wouldn't get sacrificed at the bottom for weak choices.

At the end, I think then will be the best time for you to comment or criticize (as well as everyone) when we see the final results and discuss them. And I felt the best time was to say something as early as I noticed it to salvage what I saw as a critical flaw before it was too late.

There were so few of us participating, it seemed right to let everyone get a character or 2 they were really supporting and let them keep them on the list. But ultimately, it's unfair to the group and unfair to the list, it slants results giving losers an edge over winners. And there was no system of checks and balances there, 1 vote saved the figure even when it hit bottom over and over and over (Padme Temptation), it didn't even need seconding. My issue is still that putting up write-ins so high is sacrificing the group's opinion for the individual's and that is a very serious problem that I don't see a way out of.

Plus, it leads to endless voting, it's a revolving door system that favors weak contenders over popular ones - this poll is ABOUT finding the popular ones.

I have my personality flaws too. ;) "Too"? I see how it is! :p :D

People said this was how many figures they wanted were actually on the list. When my process is finished in another 9 votes, we'll re-evaluate how well the new lists represents everyone. But getting at least half of what you want is good. There are other people participating here. No one can expect to have it all their way and only their way. Ah, but my comment was responding to: "When JediTricks said we're not being representative of all SW collectors, I disagree and are probably close" and see, you're admitting now it's not that close.

Once we have a CLOSED Top 50, we can rank them inside of that. As far as the figures now falling off the bottom - the write-in allows them to be saved if at least one person thinks they have merit. You keep missing my point on these write-ins, by allowing just 1 person to send a loser all the way to the top of the ladder, it already has skewed the vote and the top 50 will be suffering from worthy figures being kicked off for saved ones.

The post-padding comment was one of 2 things you said that made me mad. I could personally care less how many posts I have listed under my name. That's fine FOR YOU, and FOR YOU I don't care about your post count at all, but as moderator I have to be concerned with the example this thread is setting for other users who might complain that those involved in an slanted, unfair poll are just getting a free ride. Ultimately, I have to enforce the site policies equally, if I don't believe this thread is truly working towards something, I cannot defend this thread to other users or SirSteve or even the mod staff.

What is there some kind of prize for the most posts here? All I can tell you is that it matters to a lot of our users and therefore, as head moderator, it has to be my concern.

I just intend to walk up to them at Celebration 3 with the list in hand, just like at ComicCon. Oh, I was acting under the sense that you told them they would be getting an updated list as soon as the poll was done, I was under the impression that by the end of August you'd be sending the updated list to Hasbro. You are right about the conventions, that is what they are there for and that has no impact on what I said earlier, I had thought you wanted SSG to call them on the phone, email or regular mail them the list and explain the methods to them while they were in the office if they wanted that information.

Andy (who's not on SW anymore) He hasn't been for 2 years, last year it was regular Micro Machines (which Hasbro really could have done a better job of marketing and such) and I hear now it's Transformers.

So you'd be sure to tell Steve or folks at Hasbro how much you loathe me. And that would accomplish what?

And anyone here (on staff) controls who I talk to exactly how? I don't claim to represent the site except when I'm on assignment for Steve at Comic Con or other events I cover - but again I don't cover TOYS and Hasbro knows this. Don't get melodramatic Tycho, I don't LOATHE you, you just cheese me off sometimes - like in this thread. All I was saying that if Steve asked me to endorse this, I could not, and since this is a forums matter it's likely that without my endorsement, Steve wouldn't use his clout to take it to Hasbro - that was when I still thought you were planning on having SSG endorse it and take it to them immediately upon completion.

You represented the site last year, you emailed them as an SSG representative over and over asking them questions about their answers and such, and the site was asked by Hasbro to halt all further contact from you because they felt attacked I guess and knew Steve had some control over the issue. They don't know where the line was drawn Tycho, they saw you as an SSG representative.

All I can tell Hasbro is that a bunch of us on these forums made THIS list, and here is the link to the discussion as to how we came about it They don't care about the "why", only the final result, that's what I was told when I was trying to get questions answered from them during the same time as mentioned above. Some of their employees have been known to come and read our forums, but not in an official capacity as I understand it.

I started the thread Yeah, but it was a totally different system at the time. It was one thing that worked for what it was and later became a totally different thing that I just don't believe works right, so the results will be unfair to the group.

but I don't need the glory of taking the list to Hasbro - there's no reward in that. They'll say "oh - this guy has a lot of time to waste on the internet thinking about our products." But they might say "a lot of people want these figures," and "this one, and that one, etc. go along with our marketing plans. These'll be ok - let's make this Luke Endor instead of Luke Tatooine again." That's why I thought you wanted it to go to Hasbro right away, which would require Steve contacting them and sending it to them.

I see that I need to finish this poll up and then show you the results and between myself, and hopefully the majority here, we need to convince you that your concerns have been answered. If you trust me that I want to do this, I want to demonstrate to you that your fairness criteria has been met, I hope you'll come back and vote with the rest of us in these final polls that help prioritize the list. I don't see this happening, the poll results have been riddled with serious issues that can't help but cascade into the final results, building upon a flawed foundation gives you a flawed building. But I will try to continue to listen.

I didn't understand what "was indicative of the rest of the forums." Maybe it's not important except to you and Droid (inside thing) but I didn't get that part. That you would bash other user's well-stated comments, or worse, chalk them up to thin ulterior motives which had no basis in fact. I would hope that other parts of our forums don't suffer these issues so greatly as what I am seeing here.

[JediTricks]

JediTricks, Tycho, I am standing here waiting to be part of a group hug. :D

If anyone needs me, I'll be outside throwing up. I think what I typed was so sappy I'm going to be sick.You and me both, then we can compare what eachother had for breakfast. :p :D

[Hellboy]

falling off the list, but available for write-in are:

Torryn Farr, Hoth Echo Base
Clone Trooper in Red, out of armor
M'iiyoom Onith, Nightlily from Mos Eisley Cantina

Choose the character you want to be kept on the figures-to-be-made list from:

Obi-Wan Kenobi, AOTC, Jedi Robes
12) Padme Black Leather Temptation
13) Commander Tey How, Niemoidian with sensors in eyes and mouth
14) Moff Jerjerrod, Death Star II Commander, Endor
15) Herme Odel, Jabba the Hutt’s Palace
16) Anakin Skywalker, Jedi Apprentice
17) Advoze, Bom Vimdim, Mos Eisley Cantina
18) CZ-3 from Mos Eisley Spaceport
19) Young Owen Lars
20) Saurin, Hrcheck Kal Fas
21) Luke Skywalker, Rebel Medical Frigate
22) General Tagge, Death Star Conference Table
23) Jango Fett out of armor, Kamino Apartment
24) Lando Calrissian Smugglers Gear, end of ESB
25) Slim Aloo, Imperial Dignitary
26) Queen Jamilla
27) Rep Teers
28) Captain Daultay Dofine, Niemodian
29) Ben Quadrinaros, Podracer
30) Rebel Flight Technician, Yavin Base
31) Major Bren Derlin, Hoth Echo Base
32) Sgt. Doallyn, Jabba’s Palace
33) Tonbuck Toora, Separatist Leader
34) Han Solo screaming in Bespin Torture Chair
35) Beru Whitesun, from AOTC
36) Tonnika Sister, Mos Eisley Cantina
37) Luke Skywalker Endor Gear
38) Padme in her Nightgown, Kohoun Attack
39) Treva Horme, Cloud City Alien
40) Keeolkeech, Ewok Warrior
41) R2-D2 Lightsaber Launcher resculpt
42) Reegesk the Ranat, Mos Eisley Cantina
43) Klaatu, remake of vintage figure from Jabba's
44) Chief Chirpa, Ewok Leader
45) R5D4
46) Givin, Elris Helrot, Mos Eisley Cantina
47) Gragga Chubba Vendor, catches JarJar in Mos Espa
48) General Veers, Imperial Officer w. removeable Hoth Armor
49) Colonel Wulf Yularen, Imperial Conference Table
50) Biggs Darklighter, Academy Uniform, ANH Lost Scenes

I'll write-in Clone Trooper in Red, out of armor

I'll vote for Colonel Wulf Yularen

[dindae]

Just out of curiosity what would be the benifit of post padding? Do we get a prize for getting the most posts? Do we get to haze the newbies? Do we get secret decoder rings at 5,000 posts?

[Tycho]

Rocketboy
PlasticFetish

The choices are on the other page. We're waiting for you and maybe Brandon, who's back-votes I can still count.


JediTricks: I think we are communicating a bit better now.

That you would bash other user's well-stated comments, or worse, chalk them up to thin ulterior motives which had no basis in fact. I would hope that other parts of our forums don't suffer these issues so greatly as what I am seeing here.

I'll try to watch that. And if we argue this way about "little plastic figures" it's amazing the "everything-goes to Cell Block to Rancor Pit" was ever allowed to return. It's amusing to note that you and I actually agree with a majority of things to do with religion and politics though. But when it comes to "little plastic figures" we're ready to go to war with national conventions and TV ads.

Here's Mine:



The Voters just cannot trust Luke Tatooine!

In 1998 when characters like his own Aunt Beru had never been made, where was Luke Tatooine? Luke Tatooine was using gimmicks like a flight helmet to come back out on the pegs and claim credit for being original while crushing under his heels even members of his own family!

In 2000, when his own grandmother Shmi did not even have an action figure, where was Luke Tatooine? Luke failed to report to duty on a standard card, but he was to be found fooling around with an exclusive Landspeeder at an exclusive retailer shortly there after.

In 1999 when collectors screamed for the production budget on the Classic CommTech figures to be increased to accomodate more R2-D2 with Leia Hologram figures, Luke Tatooine was pegwarming with a T-16 and CommTech chip. This is evidence that Luke Tatooine was clearly misprioritizing the budget and supportive of wasteful spending.

Today Luke Tatooine propones a Product Ammendment to the National Marketing Plan to add a Mos Eisley Poncho to his repertoire saying that this is necessary and vital to the action figure line's success and security.

Is this the action figure we can trust to lead us in 2005?

Luke Tatooine - a figure not even his mother could love!

Support Senator Padme Amidala for 2005.

"I'm Padme Amidala and I approve black leather dresses."




Speaking of her,

Look at Padme Temptation, you've strategically voted for her over and over while you yourself have said there were other figures on that list you wanted more, and Padme has continued to scrape bottom the entire time. Strategic voting isn't fair this way, it isn't a true result.

Yes, but I strategically voted for Padme Outland Peasant Disguise and Ann (or Tan) Gella this way, and they eventually came off the list. Padme Black Leather is supported by (I think Rocketboy or Kidhuman, or some others) here and though I've taken a lead in writing her on, she could fall off it she comes down the list again (which is completely possible). When she's a write-in again, if that happens, I may have to vote for someone else I want more. We'll see.

By the way, if when we clear the last 7 polls (who are generally folks that qualified but are of little consequence), and if we still have more than 50, I can have a poll that says "vote for 2 or 3 that you most want REMOVED from the list" and then average that to see who goes.

Then I'll do a ranking vote after we have 50 locked.

But I think folks will fall off before we get to that point by letting the rest who qualified compete.


I never questioned having the new additions come in higher.

Good. You understood why I did that. Here's my dillemma with where write-ins can go: I'd have to have an extra poll if a new add-in (like Anakin Jedi Robes) comes on and knocks out a few of our lower-popularity hangers-on like the Ewoks and several cantina characters.

I heard what you said about doing 2 votes per person at once, but I think that tracking that would've driven me crazy.

As to getting ahead of others' votes and that changing who might've been bumped off and who was in the write-in pile? I didn't see it as having that much effect because they would've been bumped up (maybe not quite so much) if they were just voted on before they fell off, and they could always be saved anyway. Once they come in higher, they drop like a rock if people want to save others towards the bottom.

Eventually, people like me are almost constantly trying to keep characters we want written back in. I would have loved to have voted for Obi-Wan this past round, but I thought someone would, so I saved the Clone Trooper (both I might add are figures you said you'd buy in your big post of what you wanted and didnt)

And I felt the best time was to say something as early as I noticed it to salvage what I saw as a critical flaw before it was too late.

I understand. Hopefully you'll see that the flaw or problem that needed to be worked out did not impact who the final 50 on our list was. The analysis will be done shortly (after 7 votes or about 3 days) - so by Monday, this thing should be readily open for criticism (or compliments) as we have a final list put together.


Plus, it leads to endless voting, it's a revolving door system that favors weak contenders over popular ones - this poll is ABOUT finding the popular ones.

It will be again (and actually still is). If Padme Outland Peasant Disguise or Sora Bulq or Count Dooku (softgoods) were so popular, why weren't they saved by write-ins at their last chance?

I had my hands tied myself and had to vote for another character.


Ah, but my comment was responding to: "When JediTricks said we're not being representative of all SW collectors, I disagree and are probably close" and see, you're admitting now it's not that close.

True. We're all going to see about 50% of what we want on the list. I lost some of my Padmes :cry: Instead I have Lightsaber Launcher R2D2 on the list, and how is this going to be that much better than an entirely new sculpt of Padme that doesn't look like her other figures? Look at Theed Celebration Padme (a figure you JT said you did not want). That turned out awesome. R2 is a necessary resculpt because the first LL R2 was a disgrace with that 3rd leg, but is it going to look that much different from all the other 15 R2D2's?
But that's what some people here really want. So meanwhile, I'm trying to save Black Leather Padme. I'd rather have not lost Padme in Yellow by the Waterfalls, but my hands were tied on that vote too - and I found I had to support a different figure when I had my chance to write her back in.


You keep missing my point on these write-ins, by allowing just 1 person to send a loser all the way to the top of the ladder, it already has skewed the vote and the top 50 will be suffering from worthy figures being kicked off for saved ones.

Not when every worthy figure that gets low on the list can be written back on.

So far these are kicked off:

Wald (JT hated)
Luke Tatooine (JT might buy)
Kitster (JT hated)
Naboo Clergyman
Dooku's Pilot Droid (JT wanted)
Ann (or Tan) Gella (JT hated)
Han Solo Yavin Ceremony (JT said "no")
Dooku softgoods (JT wanted)
Padme Yellow Dress (JT hated)
Padme Outland Peasant (JT might buy)
Sora Bulq (JT said "No" I think)
Hobbie (JT wasn't into more pilots for the most part)

These have been written on as having more merit:

R2 Lightsaber (JT voted for)
Biggs Darklighter (JT hated)
Torryn Farr
Rebel Flight Tech (JT really wanted)
Luke Medical Frigate (JT really wanted)
Padme Black Leather (JT hated)
Beru Whitesun (JT hated)
Queen Jamilla (JT might buy, I think)
Sgt. Doallyn
Major Derlin
Keeolkeech (JT said he might buy)
Tey How (JT voted for)

I think most of us are going to come out with about 50% of what we want the most.

I think guys like me that want it all are going to be quite satisfied, only slightly disliking about 5-10% of the choices made.

But JT, you disliked about 150 of the 211 possibilities if I recall correctly.

That's not likely 71% of the figures offered, or only liking 29% of ALL THE POSSIBILITIES.

Like I'd asked before: do you want to quit collecting after you get "the ultimate Tatooine Luke?" or do you think that with the wide diverity of interests amongst collectors here, you should have 100% or all 50 of the 29% you liked be the completed list?

None of us are going to get a perfect list out of this process. But I think if most of us get 50% of our choices or more, when we are done, this'll have been worth the effort.


I had thought you wanted SSG to call them on the phone, email or regular mail them the list and explain the methods to them while they were in the office if they wanted that information.

We'll discuss it after you see the final results and my post-analysis of how the list rankings moved, who got kicked off and who got left on, and everyone here offers up their opinion on it. I'll PM JabbaJohnL., LuciferSam, SithKiller, etc. and find out why they are no longer posting and what they think of the final list.

You can decide if Steve should bother Hasbro with it. All I said was I'd bring them a copy to C3. Hasbro is busy with E3 figures right now, and April will be ok to address them with 2006 figures "in time" to have them consider them for confirmation by Comic Con 2006.

They have the license to 2018 anyway, so it's not like characters that don't make our Top 50 list don't have a chance anyway. If all 50 of our guys get made, there will only be 161 left to fight over afterwards :) Plus, in my closing reports, I'll list the losers so we can see who those 161 figures are.


I still thought you were planning on having SSG endorse it and take it to them immediately upon completion

They wouldn't have time to deal with it right now. Which is exactly why we're doing this ahead of time. They have E3 going on right now. That is HUGE!


You represented the site last year, you emailed them as an SSG representative over and over asking them questions about their answers and such, and the site was asked by Hasbro to halt all further contact from you because they felt attacked I guess and knew Steve had some control over the issue. They don't know where the line was drawn Tycho, they saw you as an SSG representative.

If I recall correctly, the police served me with a restraining order or something :rolleyes: Sure.

Andy, Jeff Popper, Brian - never had a problem with me that I was ever told of - and they know they could tell me to my face as I see them once or twice a year for very candid conversations. I think Paula Sachai told me I could contact her and I did - when everyone was complaining about the Imperial Dignitary, General Rieekan, and the SketchTrooper winning. I think the way the votes went on that Fans' Choice Poll and the backlash they got for it (accusations of vote hacking, strategic voting, etc) caused them to want to not have to deal with multiple people representing each site.

Yet I think Mark and Phillip both talk to them representing Rebelscum. I don't have any more or less tact when dealing with business letter format than either of those guys do.

But aside from a Q&A I did which I think I forwarded to Steve since I never did Toy Reporting, I didn't bother Hasbro with much else.

The offical SSG cantina and Jabba polls were sent though - and I was told they appreciated seeing that.



I don't see this happening, the poll results have been riddled with serious issues that can't help but cascade into the final results, building upon a flawed foundation gives you a flawed building. But I will try to continue to listen.

Thank you. After 7-8 more votes, I think I will impress you with the accuracy of the method used around here. Above, note the sneak preview of who fell off and who's been added on.

[El Chuxter]

Man, if it's this heated now, wait until I point out that there is one figure we missed:

Ghost of Anakin Skywalker (as portrayed by Hayden Christiansen)

:p

[Droid]

Tycho, I do not think there should be a round where we vote people off the list. I would suggest that if for some reason there is 51 (or more) characters after the last 8 or whatever rounds, that you begin whatever process you have in mind for verifying the accuracy of the RANKINGS (as opposed to who is on the list). Once that is stabilized, if there is 53 characters you could either just drop the bottom three or have runoff votes for the very, very bottom characters (majority rules, no saving). I fear that someone might have it in for Hermi Odle or something and take a popular character off the list.

And you wouldn't like who I may be TEMPTED to vote to remove ... hint ... she wears leather. And you can see that some hard feelings might develop if people can blackball other's hard fought choices after all this time! :)

[Tycho]

Point well-taken. I guess I figured that we were all so diverse that we wouldn't do that to anyone's particular favorite.

However, since votes are first-come-first-served, everyone would have to keep tracking a final placement vote if the bottom 3 or so would be dropped.

Then mistakes could happen. I think that a conscious effort is better than an error, so I'm inclined to have us vote to trim the fat if we don't do it in the next few rounds anyway.

It's not an issue yet - so we don't know what we'll be facing.

You could have commented now on who's fallen off and who's been added on - and if it looks fair or accurate to you.

[Slicker]

Just out of curiosity what would be the benifit of post padding? Do we get a prize for getting the most posts? Do we get to haze the newbies? Do we get secret decoder rings at 5,000 posts?I've wondered the same thing. I've heard JT mention it a couple of times. If someone could enlighten us that would be great.

[Rocketboy]

I'll go with R2 lightsaber launch again.

[Tycho]

EDIT: Rocketboy's vote just came through while I was posting. R2 Lightsaber Launcher's rank was moved up. The list below now reflects that.

Dindae, with regard to your question about post-padding: some people just think it's cool to have a lot of posts under their title. I always figured, if you don't have something important to say - don't post it.

There's no prize. In fact, it's sort of pathetic if you have as many posts as I do or more. I need to remind myself: "get a life!" ;)

PlasticFetish is good at catching up. The last list he needs to vote on is 2 (two) pages back though if he cares to indulge. All the write-ins made it though.

Like I was explaining to JT, if he wants to vote for something on the bottom, it would come back up. If he missed it and it's now on write-in, he'll have his chance. If something else falls off, he'll have his chance again anyway in the poll after this one.

I'm both impatient, and I like the "top of the next page" so that it's easier to find what we're voting on.


Falling off the list and elligible for write-in this time are:

Givin, Elris Helrot, Mos Eisley Cantina
Gragga Chubba Vendor, catches JarJar in Mos Espa
Biggs Darklighter, Academy Uniform, ANH Lost Scenes

Dorme, Senator Amidala's Aide qualifies to challenge this time.

She is the one that lives throughout AOTC, not the one who dies in the beginning (Corde).


Choose the character you want to be kept on the figures-to-be-made list from:


Dorme, Senator Amidala's Aide
12) CloneTrooper in red, out of armor
13) R2-D2 Lightsaber Launcher resculpt
14) Captain Daultay Dofine, Niemoidian
15) Torryn Farr, Hoth Echo Base
16) Herme Odel, Jabba the Hutt’s Palace
17) M'iiyoom Onith, Nightlily from Mos Eisley Cantina
18) Klaatu, remake of vintage figure from Jabba's
19) General Veers, Imperial Officer w. removeable Hoth Armor
20) Colonel Wulf Yularen, Imperial Conference Table
21) Advoze, Bom Vimdim, Mos Eisley Cantina
22) Padme Black Leather Temptation
23) Commander Tey How, Niemoidian with sensors in eyes and mouth
24) Moff Jerjerrod, Death Star II Commander, Endor
25) Anakin Skywalker, Jedi Apprentice
26) CZ-3 from Mos Eisley Spaceport
27) Young Owen Lars
28) Saurin, Hrcheck Kal Fas, Mos Eisley Cantina
29) Luke Skywalker, Rebel Medical Frigate
30) General Tagge, Death Star Conference Table
31) Jango Fett out of armor, Kamino Apartment
32) Lando Calrissian Smugglers Gear, end of ESB
33) Slim Aloo, Imperial Dignitary
34) Queen Jamilla
35) Sgt. Doallyn, Jabba’s Palace
36) Rep Teers
37) Ben Quadrinaros, Podracer
38) Rebel Flight Technician, Yavin Base
39) Major Bren Derlin, Hoth Echo Base
40) Tonbuck Toora, Separatist Leader
41) Han Solo screaming in Bespin Torture Chair
42) Beru Whitesun, from AOTC
43) Tonnika Sister, Mos Eisley Cantina
44) Luke Skywalker Endor Gear
45) Padme in her Nightgown, Kohoun Attack
46) Treva Horme, Cloud City Alien
47) Keeolkeech, Ewok Warrior
48) Reegesk the Ranat, Mos Eisley Cantina
49) Chief Chirpa, Ewok Leader
50) R5D4

I'll write in Biggs Darklighter, Academy Uniform, ANH Lost Scenes

Note: Padme Black Leather came in at #12 before. She is now #22. She CAN rise if someone votes for her, but she has started falling.

If she belongs on the list, or I squeak her in by a write-in again, and she somehow stays on, a vote as to whether to kick her off (or anyone else) - such as "which is the least wanted figure on the list? - choose 1" will go a long way to settling if she or other characters like the Clone Trooper out-of-armor that are frequently written back on belong on the list in the first place.

However, there were once up to 6 fall-offs eligible for write-in. Now we're back down to 3. More characters may fall off in each of the next 6 rounds so that when we finally have a closed-prioritizing round with just 50, everyone can just vote for their favorites again.

But I do hope that Gragga and the Givin will both be returning!

Your turn.

[Battle Droid]

Commander Tey How

[Kidhuman]

Chief Chirpa

[Deoxyribonucleic]

I think my vote is a givin ;) hahaheeheehoho Pun intended!

Givin, Elris Helrot

[Slicker]

Now's where the fun begins. This is getting tougher and tougher with each poll. There are so many figures I'd like to see made off of this list it's tough to choose just one (maybe we could start voting for two figures at a time so I don't feel bad for letting R5-D4 fall off) but since R2 with launching saber is up so high I'm gonna put in a vote for Lando in his Han Solo disguise from Empire.

[plasticfetish]

Ooh.

Last one: R5-D4
This one: Chief Chirpa

[JediTricks]

Just out of curiosity what would be the benifit of post padding? Do we get a prize for getting the most posts? Do we get to haze the newbies? Do we get secret decoder rings at 5,000 posts? I dunno, but it seems to matter greatly to people. Really, I can't imagine why it would, but it matters enough for them to still do it from time to time. I think it's about credibility, they see more posts as more importance here.

BTW, this thread has a fairly low view-to-post ratio, 8-to-1, so I guess most people who read this thread also post.


I'll try to watch that. And if we argue this way about "little plastic figures" it's amazing the "everything-goes to Cell Block to Rancor Pit" was ever allowed to return. It's amusing to note that you and I actually agree with a majority of things to do with religion and politics though. But when it comes to "little plastic figures" we're ready to go to war with national conventions and TV ads. Technically, the CB has never been taken away, it was only under threat of doing so when some people felt they could cross certain lines in there that they knew better than to try outside.

Yes, but I strategically voted for Padme Outland Peasant Disguise and Ann (or Tan) Gella this way, and they eventually came off the list. Padme Black Leather is supported by (I think Rocketboy or Kidhuman, or some others) here and though I've taken a lead in writing her on, she could fall off it she comes down the list again (which is completely possible). When she's a write-in again, if that happens, I may have to vote for someone else I want more. We'll see. Are you supporting my view with this statement or your own? I can't tell because it reads like what I'm saying, those strategic votes and write-in saves ended up falling off, and Padme Temptation is still near the bottom.

Here's my dillemma with where write-ins can go: I'd have to have an extra poll if a new add-in (like Anakin Jedi Robes) comes on and knocks out a few of our lower-popularity hangers-on like the Ewoks and several cantina characters. I don't understand. How can you have "lower-popularity hangers-on"? Isn't that tantamount to saying they're scraping bottom of the ladder repeatedly, they're consistantly down near numbers 49 and 50 but not falling off? If that's the case, isn't that showing what the voters want, and simultaneously those write-ins who fell off are even less popular than those and didn't survive getting beat out by the bottom-scrapers?

I heard what you said about doing 2 votes per person at once, but I think that tracking that would've driven me crazy. Short drive. :crazed: Seriously though, I don't think it would have factored in that differently, just track the votes as separate voters if you want, voters "Tycho1" and "Tycho2". This is a separate issue about hypotheticals anyway though.

As to getting ahead of others' votes and that changing who might've been bumped off and who was in the write-in pile? I didn't see it as having that much effect because they would've been bumped up (maybe not quite so much) if they were just voted on before they fell off, and they could always be saved anyway. I disagree, you're basing your ratings on a handful of votes, a cross-section of the collecting community, so even 2 uncounted votes could have wildly different results affecting the very next poll. Padme Temptation only got 1 vote before you tallied the votes and created the next poll, but if the 2 uncounted late voters had put their votes for her she would have kicked someone else off instead and moved a bunch of figures closer to death. Conversely, this is the problem that's already happening with these 1-person write-ins that fly all the way to the top of the ladder.

Eventually, people like me are almost constantly trying to keep characters we want written back in. I would have loved to have voted for Obi-Wan this past round, but I thought someone would, so I saved the Clone Trooper (both I might add are figures you said you'd buy in your big post of what you wanted and didnt)
This is what I don't like about strategic voting, there's now no chance of deciding the figure you want most from the list, it's impossible because you're too busy saving lesser figures. That's one of the big things I see as a major flaw here, the results are more about saving lesser figures than finding out what people really want most. I don't think a cascading poll like this CAN really find this out without at least twice as many voters as poll options.

I understand. Hopefully you'll see that the flaw or problem that needed to be worked out did not impact who the final 50 on our list was. I don't think that's possible, everything we've been discussing here suggests otherwise to me. Think about it, how can the poll results be accurate when strategic voting and write-ins getting preferential treatment skew the ongoing results at each and every poll?

If Padme Outland Peasant Disguise or Sora Bulq or Count Dooku (softgoods) were so popular, why weren't they saved by write-ins at their last chance?We'll never really know, but it could be possible that a fig that was even less popular than them got written back in and kicked to the top of the ladder where it then kicked 'em off.

Look at Theed Celebration Padme (a figure you JT said you did not want). That turned out awesome. I'd find that assessment debatable. I don't think it's awesome at all.

Not when every worthy figure that gets low on the list can be written back on. How worthy can it be if the voters as a group have already neglected it?

I think guys like me that want it all are going to be quite satisfied, only slightly disliking about 5-10% of the choices made. But JT, you disliked about 150 of the 211 possibilities if I recall correctly. That's not likely 71% of the figures offered, or only liking 29% of ALL THE POSSIBILITIES.
You're missing the point, I really don't care if this list conforms to my interests, I only care whether it accurately reflects the interests of these voters as a group.

They have the license to 2018 anyway, so it's not like characters that don't make our Top 50 list don't have a chance anyway. I don't believe the line will have even remotely that long a run... and neither do you. :p

If I recall correctly, the police served me with a restraining order or something :rolleyes: Sure. Dude, again, melodrama? C'mon. I probably shouldn't have told you about it, but it did happen and directly reflected upon what I thought the intent here was (and let's face it, only a few paragraphs above that you did suggest it still could be). It's a moot point and I don't really want to get into site politics.

Bottom line, you've seen that I'm not the only one with serious concerns about the accuracy and fairness of these results and I still don't see anything convincing me that these issues have been dealt with or explained convincingly to erase the spectre of skewed results that hangs over every poll.


Man, if it's this heated now, wait until I point out that there is one figure we missed:

Ghost of Anakin Skywalker (as portrayed by Hayden Christiansen)
"Stupid bug! You go squish now!" - Homer Simpson, upon travelling back in time and changing the world.


EDIT: Rocketboy's vote just came through while I was posting. R2 Lightsaber Launcher's rank was moved up. The list below now reflects that. Look at that, this is a perfect example of what I was saying earlier about starting new polls before all the votes have been counted. And let's suggest that Rocketboy's vote was saving LL R2, do you see how your next poll would skewed by this single write-in vote? THIS is what I've been trying to get at.

Note: Padme Black Leather came in at #12 before. She is now #22. She CAN rise if someone votes for her, but she has started falling.

If she belongs on the list, or I squeak her in by a write-in again, and she somehow stays on, a vote as to whether to kick her off (or anyone else) - such as "which is the least wanted figure on the list? - choose 1" will go a long way to settling if she or other characters like the Clone Trooper out-of-armor that are frequently written back on belong on the list in the first place. If she came in at #12 and already fell off once (or more IIRC) then how does she get all the way back up to #22? That SHOULD have been a 39-point fall and then somehow a 28-point rise afterwards, but instead was a 39-point fall and then only a 14-point rise upon being written back in.

And I haven't even touched upon your commentaries during the poll of whom you'd like to see saved, that'd be like Hasbro doing a Fan Choice poll and ending the paragraph leading to the vote itself with "oh, and we'd like to see #3 win", it's inappropriate, but I won't factor it into my final opinion because there are already so many points that are more rooted than that.


Bet you're wishing you had done it like the old tournament polls you had going with the vehicles now, huh? :p

[plasticfetish]

And I haven't even touched upon your commentaries during the poll of whom you'd like to see saved, that'd be like Hasbro doing a Fan Choice poll and ending the paragraph leading to the vote itself with "oh, and we'd like to see #3 win", it's inappropriateHis comments have never had any kind of an effect on my choices. In fact, in many cases (if not just about all of them) I've not really cared for the figures that he's voted for. Not as much as others anyway.

As far as I'm concerned, this thing will turn out just fine. We've all had a chance to weigh our choices and vote accordingly -- each time considering who we'd like to see on the list at the very end. Each new voting round means having to re-prioritize your wants based on the adjusted standings.

Ultimately, we're not carving out the ten commandments here, we're just voting on toys we'd like to see made. I'm not sure it's really worth so much concern.

[dindae]

I'll be voting for Herme the love bug.

[Rocketboy]

R5-D4 is a bit too close to the bottom.

[Droid]

Tycho, I wasn't complaining (again) with my last post about not letting us vote OFF characters. I was suggesting how we may all want to collectively agree to move forward. I'll go along with whatever is decided. And I wasn't saying that I was going to vote off Padme Leather out of spite. I would probably vote against her becuase I really, really don't want the figure. She wore the outfit in just one scene. There were two people in the room so it doesn't make for much of a diorama. I mean, do we build our own little fireplace? I guess it would work if you wanted to just set all of the different figures of Padme in different outfits together. I wouldn't vote anybody's figure off out of spite. I would just vote for the figures I want the least, which happens to be Padme in Leather.

And yes, as I have said before, I like this list more than the convention list. I just have problems with how we got here, but it's fine. Like you I have grown tired of discussing it. :rolleyes:

Anyway, I'll vote to bump 48) Reegesk the Ranat, Mos Eisley Cantina
up the list. Hope the Tonnikas don't end up on the chopping block next time!

[mastermatt24]

Make.... Figures! Not War! :)
38) Rebel Flight Technician, Yavin Base

[Droid]

Tycho, any chance of showing me the next poll? I know there are a few who haven't voted yet in the current poll, but I am not going to be online tomorrow and I'd like to give you my vote. Even if you don't officially start the next poll, if you could show me what the next one will approximately look like I'll give you my vote for tomorrow's poll. I should likely be online Sunday to participate in Sunday's poll. Am I correct in assuming we won't do more than a poll a day (especially over the weekend)?

Thanks, and if for some reason the next poll isn't ready to go, just put me down for Beru from Attack of the Clones in the next poll. It's a safe vote and I want to push her further up the list. (But I'd still rather see the actual poll if you have time).

Thanks!

[Droid]

OK, I have to take off until sometime Sunday. I'll go ahead and vote

Beru

for the next round. There isn't anyone who could be nominated to get on the list who I would want a figure of more than her and it seems out of my favorites only Beru and the Tonnikas will sink towards the bottom of the list on the next poll. I hope someone saves the Tonnikas if they are in danger!

I'll vote sometime Sunday. Please don't close voting for the poll after next before then.

Thanks!

[JediTricks]

His comments have never had any kind of an effect on my choices. In fact, in many cases (if not just about all of them) I've not really cared for the figures that he's voted for. Not as much as others anyway.Ok. Tycho and I have actually had this argument before, while he was doing the Battle of the Machines poll tournament, I ultimately ended up asking him to minimize it and I don't think he did. ;) Anyway, I had no intention of factoring it in here either, I was just pointing out that I actually had more stuff that was on my mind but was trying to stick to only the main points.

Ultimately, we're not carving out the ten commandments here, we're just voting on toys we'd like to see made. I'm not sure it's really worth so much concern.Well, like I said before, I was under the impression that I was ultimately going to have to give the results my stamp of approval that everything was on the up-and-up so they could be delivered through the appropriate Hasbro HQ channels, that's a big part of my concern. Also, on a personal level I really do like to see this sort of thing done, but only if it's done fairly. I'd love to see a tournament-style vote that whittles 200+ figures down to the top 50 in batches of 5 per tourny or something that would seem more balanced and accurately reflecting the group's votes, and I've also suggested doing a whittle-down by having people vote for their top 2 out of 10 options rather than just 1 - this isn't a king of the hill poll after all, just trying to find the top 50.

[Kidhuman]

Well, like I said before, I was under the impression that I was ultimately going to have to give the results my stamp of approval that everything was on the up-and-up so they could be delivered through the appropriate Hasbro HQ channels, that's a big part of my concern. Also, on a personal level I really do like to see this sort of thing done, but only if it's done fairly. I'd love to see a tournament-style vote that whittles 200+ figures down to the top 50 in batches of 5 per tourny or something that would seem more balanced and accurately reflecting the group's votes, and I've also suggested doing a whittle-down by having people vote for their top 2 out of 10 options rather than just 1 - this isn't a king of the hill poll after all, just trying to find the top 50.

I was thinking of having the 211 figures listed. We rate them 1-50. The I would volunteer to take everyones list agnd give it points like they do in College Football and sports polls. Each number one vote would get 50 points 2nd place 49 and so on down. Tally the points and list the top 50. If there is a tie for 50th, we do a run off poll of whoever is tied in the same way and score it the same way until there is only one true top 50 list.


I think that would come to a true fair and honest poll.

[Tycho]

Well, I'm actually at a friend's tonight and am borrowing her internet for a moment. I don't have my rankings list with me right now, so I'll have to post the new poll tomorrow or like midnite PST assuming I go home tonight at all.

I just have some downtime while she makes dinner and I thought I'd check on what's happening here.

I can say that one participant here might run their own poll for most-wanted-figures after we finish here (by about next Friday).

I'll compare the new list we just made, side-by-side with the one we first gave to Hasbro, and then there will be plenty of time before C3 and Hasbro makes its 2006 production decisions to let someone else here do a poll of this nature, and then we can compare which figures were different, if any, between what was selected by the alternative method.

KIDHUMAN, if you were to do your style of a LIST poll from everyone, I am just glad that we've been doing THIS POLL which ID our 211 (thereabouts) choices, as the final list we create here would be a great place to start refining each of our own personal Top 50 lists off of. Otherwise the task of thinking of everyone (and somehow prioritizing them) would be overwhelming!

I'll be participating in that poll should it happen, and I'd look forward to it.

Let's finish up here over this last week though. I know there are 6 more contenders - 4 at almost the highest level!

Meanwhile, I think we're waiting for Hellboy to vote, as well.

The poll might be a page back past all this commentary (the Dorme Poll).

And tonight or tomorrow, I'll get you all up another poll.

[Kidhuman]

KIDHUMAN, if you were to do your style of a LIST poll from everyone, I am just glad that we've been doing THIS POLL which ID our 211 (thereabouts) choices, as the final list we create here would be a great place to start refining each of our own personal Top 50 lists off of. Otherwise the task of thinking of everyone (and somehow prioritizing them) would be overwhelming!

I'll be participating in that poll should it happen, and I'd look forward to it.

Let's finish up here over this last week though. I know there are 6 more contenders - 4 at almost the highest level!

Sounds good Tycho. I was thinking of maybe getting other boards involved as well with the list, but that might be too much work. If people would like to do this vote speak up and I will run it and keep points.

And yes Tycho, it would be after you finish up. Next Friday, huh? I always hate when these threads come to the end. :beard: :cry:

[Tycho]

Well, I don't know if he wanted me to say anything, but DINDAE wanted to try polling for the Most-Wanted as well. I'd support his efforts and even maybe if the 2 of you could work jointly, that'd be good.

Meanwhile, I don't think Hellboy is going to be around in time on the Dorme poll, but I can put his vote in when he casts it.

Falling off the list this time but elligible for write-ins are:

Treva Horme, Cloud City Alien
Keeolkeech, Ewok Warrior

Corde, Senator Amidala's Decoy who was killed when the Senator's ship exploded in the first scenes of AOTC is our challenger this time. She is proposed as "before the blast," not extra crispy, as Hasbro will doubtfully do 'dead action figures.'


Choose the character you want to be kept on the figures-to-be-made list from:

Corde, Senator Amidala's Decoy
12) Chief Chirpa, Ewok Leader
13) Biggs Darklighter, Academy Uniform, ANH Lost Scenes
14) Commander Tey How, Niemoidian with sensors in eyes and mouth
15) Givin, Elris Helrot, Mos Eisley Cantina
16) Lando Calrissian Smugglers Gear, end of ESB
17) Herme Odel, Jabba the Hutt’s Palace
18) R5D4
19) Reegesk the Ranat, Mos Eisley Cantina
20) Rebel Flight Technician, Yavin Base
21) CloneTrooper in red, out of armor
22) R2-D2 Lightsaber Launcher resculpt
23) Captain Daultay Dofine, Niemoidian
24) Torryn Farr, Hoth Echo Base
25) M'iiyoom Onith, Nightlily from Mos Eisley Cantina
26) Klaatu, remake of vintage figure from Jabba's
27) General Veers, Imperial Officer w. removeable Hoth Armor
28) Colonel Wulf Yularen, Imperial Conference Table
29) Advoze, Bom Vimdim, Mos Eisley Cantina
30) Padme Black Leather Temptation
31) Moff Jerjerrod, Death Star II Commander, Endor
32) Anakin Skywalker, Jedi Apprentice
33) CZ-3 from Mos Eisley Spaceport
34) Young Owen Lars
35) Saurin, Hrcheck Kal Fas, Mos Eisley Cantina
36) Luke Skywalker, Rebel Medical Frigate
37) General Tagge, Death Star Conference Table
38) Jango Fett out of armor, Kamino Apartment
39) Slim Aloo, Imperial Dignitary
40) Queen Jamilla
41) Sgt. Doallyn, Jabba’s Palace
42) Rep Teers
43) Ben Quadrinaros, Podracer
44) Major Bren Derlin, Hoth Echo Base
45) Tonbuck Toora, Separatist Leader
46) Han Solo screaming in Bespin Torture Chair
47) Beru Whitesun, from AOTC
48) Tonnika Sister, Mos Eisley Cantina
49) Luke Skywalker Endor Gear
50) Padme in her Nightgown, Kohoun Attack

I'll vote Padme in her Nightgown, Kohoun Attack. You can do a nice scene with this figure with Obi-Wan, the assassin droid, R2D2, Anakin Skywalker, Captain Typho, Dorme (if they'd make her), and maybe Zam and Jango Fett observing from afar.

Droid voted in advance for Beru Whitesun.

[Kidhuman]

Keelokeech.

Everyone please let me know if you want to do a poll the way I said on the previous page.

[Rocketboy]

Ben Quadrinaros, Podracer

[dindae]

I was thinking of having the 211 figures listed. We rate them 1-50. The I would volunteer to take everyones list agnd give it points like they do in College Football and sports polls. Each number one vote would get 50 points 2nd place 49 and so on down. Tally the points and list the top 50. If there is a tie for 50th, we do a run off poll of whoever is tied in the same way and score it the same way until there is only one true top 50 list.


I think that would come to a true fair and honest poll.

As Tycho mentioned I was already think of doing a poll. Oddly enough this is the exact format I was going to do. If you wanted to collaborate then PM me.

I'll be voting for Herme.

[Hellboy]

Last Round:
R5-D4

Current Round:
Luke Skywalker Endor Gear

To anwser your question KH, "count me in."

[Slicker]

Major Bren Derlin

[mastermatt24]

44) Major Bren Derlin, Hoth Echo Base
I dont know if I can vote tomorrow, party at my house. :D
I cant believe Julius Child died!!!! :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
She was like a grandma I never knew. :cry:

[Battle Droid]

Since the Neimoidians are so high up on the list, I'll vote for Padme in her Nighty. :eek:

[Kidhuman]

As Tycho mentioned I was already think of doing a poll. Oddly enough this is the exact format I was going to do. If you wanted to collaborate then PM me.

I'll be voting for Herme.

Yes sounds good to me. I will shoot you a PM in a bit.

[plasticfetish]

Treva Horme, Cloud City Alien for me.

kidhuman... I'm cool for your other poll if you do it.

[Deoxyribonucleic]

Sgt. Doallyn for me please :)

[Tycho]

We've got about 6 polls left to finish this up. I'll be very interested to see how another poll, done a different style, will turn up the results. I think that in fact, if most of the choices on the 2 lists are similar, it will be almost overwhelming evidence for Hasbro that the figures that the 2 lists have in common are in extreme high demand and ought to be produced for the 2006 line for certain!


Falling off our current list and elligible for write-in are:

Han Solo screaming in Bespin Torture Chair
Tonnika Sister, Mos Eisley Cantina

This poll's challenger is Jedi Master Luminara Undulli, (a resculpt) The new idea for her is a non-preposed figure that might be more articulate than her 2002 edition, and one that could stand in a neutral position in Palpatine's office, versus being Arena Fight specific.

Choose the character you want to be kept on the figures-to-be-made list from:

Luminara Undulli, SA Jedi Master
12) Major Bren Derlin, Hoth Echo Base
13) Padme in her Nightgown, Kohoun Attack
14) Beru Whitesun, from AOTC
15) Keeolkeech, Ewok Warrior
16) Ben Quadrinaros, Podracer
17) Herme Odel, Jabba the Hutt’s Palace
18) Luke Skywalker Endor Gear
19) Treva Horme, Cloud City Alien
20) Sgt. Doallyn, Jabba’s Palace
21) Chief Chirpa, Ewok Leader
22) R5D4
23) Biggs Darklighter, Academy Uniform, ANH Lost Scenes
24) Commander Tey How, Niemoidian with sensors in eyes and mouth
25) Givin, Elris Helrot, Mos Eisley Cantina
26) Lando Calrissian Smugglers Gear, end of ESB
27) Reegesk the Ranat, Mos Eisley Cantina
28) Rebel Flight Technician, Yavin Base
29) CloneTrooper in red, out of armor
30) R2-D2 Lightsaber Launcher resculpt
31) Captain Daultay Dofine, Niemoidian
32) Torryn Farr, Hoth Echo Base
33) M'iiyoom Onith, Nightlily from Mos Eisley Cantina
34) Klaatu, remake of vintage figure from Jabba's
35) General Veers, Imperial Officer w. removeable Hoth Armor
36) Colonel Wulf Yularen, Imperial Conference Table
37) Advoze, Bom Vimdim, Mos Eisley Cantina
38) Padme Black Leather Temptation
39) Moff Jerjerrod, Death Star II Commander, Endor
40) Anakin Skywalker, Jedi Apprentice
41) CZ-3 from Mos Eisley Spaceport
42) Young Owen Lars
43) Saurin, Hrcheck Kal Fas, Mos Eisley Cantina
44) Luke Skywalker, Rebel Medical Frigate
45) General Tagge, Death Star Conference Table
46) Jango Fett out of armor, Kamino Apartment
47) Slim Aloo, Imperial Dignitary
48) Queen Jamilla
49) Rep Teers
50) Tonbuck Toora, Separatist Leader


This is the hardest vote I've had to make.

Luminara Undulli's resculpt would be nice, but she's not absolutely essential to that diorama of the Jedi in Palpatine's office that I couldn't live without her. But if they resculpt her, it'd only make sense to do Bariss and Kit Fisto as well - since they were all preposed. She's a good choice, but more of a b-list type.

Tonnika Sisters - may never get made even if they are on our list, but Christine Hewitt going on convention tours (supposedly) gives me hope she may relent to allowing her likeness.

Han Screaming in the torture chair - a very cool diorama centerpiece that only requires I buy extras of the coolest characters: stormtroopers, Vader, Lando, Boba Fett. I wasn't planning on doing this scene, but the torture chair prop alone might make it all worth it.

Tonbuck Toora won't make or break my Separatists diorama. Eventually I'd love to have her - a large furry mouse next to Christopher Lee? What could be taken more seriously? The humor in that statement is more than a clue as to why I want her.

Rep Teers - I'd probably buy and use 8 or more of these figures for the Gungan High Council, etc. That they wear that headpiece that almost makes them look like the Gungan version of Royal Guards, makes the Council Reps look kind of cool and forbidding for Gungans. Sort of like an executioner's mask on a Gungan. But I can do the scene without Rep Teers and clones of her (him, whatever). I have like 12 Gungan Soliders for those scenes. It's just a matter of how authentic I want the set to look. Eventually I'll want Rep Teers.

Queen Jamilla - sort of boring if you ask me, but she's absolutely essential to the scene with Anakin Outlander and perhaps (one day) Padme "Report to the Queen," with Naboo Royal Guards, Sio Bibble, R2D2, and handmaidens flanking them. Some criticize a figure like this as a "non-action" figure, and I'd agree - however if I was going to request one, wouldn't Padme in one of her elaborate or sexy costumes be cooler? Well, Jamilla's the Queen and a new character, etc. - and you can't do the scene without her. For play value? Well Naboo needs a leader. Jamilla may still be a contender for me.

Slim Aloo - I really need. I want 2 dignitaries in step with my Palpatine as his shuttle lands (I don't have room for 5 anyway) and I disliked and did not buy Kren Blista Denni (Captain Crunch), so my other "purple old dude" needs a companion.

Jango Fett out of armor - this is a cool and quaint scene in the movie when Obi-Wan and Jango are throwing words instead of laser blasts, and it really played well, acting wise. Taun We and little Boba round out the group suitable for a diorama on Kamino from this powerful scene.

General Tagge - I could care less about. What I want are generic grey-uniformed Imperial officers (who didn't make our list) but they all wear caps. Tagge doesn't, so he stands out like a sore thumb if you did an Imperial line-up with the character. I think he's generally useless, save to go with Motti - so I sympathize with those doing the conference table scene - but I'm just not one of you.

I'll vote Queen Jamilla, because I think she's the least likely to get support from anyone else and she'd likely be headed for her last chance in another round anyway.

[Hellboy]

Put me down for Rep Teers.

[plasticfetish]

I just opened up my "Mos Eisley Cantina" set that I found today, and I'm again reminded of why I love Star Wars toys -- freakish alien figures. (OMG! It's a giant preying mantis wearing a skirt!)

So, it's Toonbuck Toora for me.

[Kidhuman]

Queen Jamilla.

[dindae]

Herme Odel, Jabba the Hutt’s Palace

[Deoxyribonucleic]

I'm writing in Han Solo w/Torture Chair because you know he'll come with two heads; one with mouth open screaming, one with a normal face to be in the cell with leia. He'll also be super articulated so that you can put his arms/hands behind his back with cuffs or have them at his side or wherever else. The torture chair of course will have to have some kind of light up feature; something easy like when the chair bends toward the electrical bits, the electrical bits light up. So yeah, I'm voting for Han Solo w/Torture Chair

:)

[Droid]

I'm back, thanks for voting for me while I was gone, Tycho.

This round I vote to save: Tonnika Sister, Mos Eisley Cantina.

Won't be back on the computer until tomorrow (Monday), so please don't close voting on the NEXT round until then.

Thanks!

[Rocketboy]

Anakin Skywalker, Jedi Apprentice

[DarthBrandon]

I'm gonna go with Major Derlin this round

[Battle Droid]

Captain Daultay Dofine

[Slicker]

General Tagge for me. And if you haven't noticed by my voting I'm more of an Original Trilogy guy.

[Tycho]

We're moving up to almost the very top in this poll, as we sort everything out.

Queen Amidala Black Travel Gown (softgoods) is the challenger today. This resculpt of actually Sabe as a decoy, will be made with knee articulation and softgoods so that the queen may sit on her throne in the Royal Starship vehicle/playset.


Falling off the list but elligible for write-in are:

Jango Fett out of armor, Kamino Apartment
Slim Aloo, Imperial Dignitary

Choose the character you want to be kept on the figures-to-be-made list from:

Queen Amidala (decoy) Black Travel Gown - softgoods
4) Cliegg Lars
5) Black Bespin Security Guard
6) R2D2 Shield Bunker exploded, Endor
7) Mother Ewok with baby Wokling
8) Jocasta Nu, Jedi Librarian
9) Wioslea, buys Luke Skywalker’s landspeeder
10) Arcona, Hem Dazon, Mos Eisley Cantina
11) Padme, Senator, from Palpatine's Office
12) Queen Jamilla
13) Rep Teers
14) Tonbuck Toora, Separatist Leader
15) Herme Odel, Jabba the Hutt’s Palace
16) Han Solo screaming in Bespin Torture Chair
17) Tonnika Sister, Mos Eisley Cantina
18) Anakin Skywalker, Jedi Apprentice
19) Major Bren Derlin, Hoth Echo Base
20) Captain Daultay Dofine, Niemoidian
21) General Tagge, Death Star Conference Table
22) Padme in her Nightgown, Kohoun Attack
23) Beru Whitesun, from AOTC
24) Keeolkeech, Ewok Warrior
25) Ben Quadrinaros, Podracer
26) Luke Skywalker Endor Gear
27) Treva Horme, Cloud City Alien
28) Sgt. Doallyn, Jabba’s Palace
29) Chief Chirpa, Ewok Leader
30) R5D4
31) Biggs Darklighter, Academy Uniform, ANH Lost Scenes
32) Commander Tey How, Niemoidian with sensors in eyes and mouth
33) Givin, Elris Helrot, Mos Eisley Cantina
34) Lando Calrissian Smugglers Gear, end of ESB
35) Reegesk the Ranat, Mos Eisley Cantina
36) Rebel Flight Technician, Yavin Base
37) CloneTrooper in red, out of armor
38) R2-D2 Lightsaber Launcher resculpt
39) Torryn Farr, Hoth Echo Base
40) M'iiyoom Onith, Nightlily from Mos Eisley Cantina
41) Klaatu, remake of vintage figure from Jabba's
42) General Veers, Imperial Officer w. removeable Hoth Armor
43) Colonel Wulf Yularen, Imperial Conference Table
44) Advoze, Bom Vimdim, Mos Eisley Cantina
45) Padme Black Leather Temptation
46) Moff Jerjerrod, Death Star II Commander, Endor
47) CZ-3 from Mos Eisley Spaceport
48) Young Owen Lars
49) Saurin, Hrcheck Kal Fas, Mos Eisley Cantina
50) Luke Skywalker, Rebel Medical Frigate

In comparing methods on how to come up with this list, my method's first purpose is to decide WHO WILL ACTUALLY BE ON THE LIST.

SKEPTICS: Note that in terms of just writing in the highest vote getters of any round in descending order, we have the Mother Ewok in the No.7 spot? That's where she landed before she ever had to compete against ANY character other than another Ewok.

Meanwhile, softgoods Black Travel Queen has NEVER competed with any of the figures you see on the list of choices above. That's why if she comes in, she comes in high and is then allowed to "sink." If she even comes on, and then falls off, she's not worthy of the list.

Now, true she could be saved by 1 person (temporarily). Look who's at their last chance now: Jango and Slim Aloo.

In terms of times to strategically vote to keep a character ON the list, now's especially tough. If I'm the ONLY one who wants Jango Fett and Slim Aloo, I have a difficult choice to make. Plus there's Luke Recovery Room slipping off the edge and I want to keep him too. Young Owen's also important to me to a great degree, but I figure he has more support from others here. If I really AM the only one supportive of Slim or Jango, I have to decide because I can keep only 1.

While that 1 might come in at the No.4 position with my write-in at this poll - the save is very temporary, because I'll probably have to help Luke Recovery Room next time, and I can't keep on proping up my choice this time.

What if he comes in so high and I'm the only one who wants him? In terms of who should be on the list period, we might have a "removal vote" to eliminate any excess of characters over 50 on our list. It will be whichever 1,2, or 3 characters have the most votes to go. That way it's fair if the last round of write-ins allowed unrealistically keep someone on the list. But the system should still weed them out.

After that, a locked-list round of voting should rank the characters appropriately, but once the list can't have ANY fall-offs, our job is really done - we have discovered the 50 most-wanted.

I'll be writing in Jango Fett, out of armor, Kamino apartment.

Vote now.

[dindae]

Herme Odel, Jabba the Hutt’s Palace

[Rocketboy]

Padme Black Leather Temptation is lowest on this list of the ones I want, so she gets the vote.

[Battle Droid]

Commander Tey How

[Droid]

I'll vote to push 48) Young Owen Lars up the list. You were right, Tycho, he does have support.

Hope the Saurin and Bom Vimdim get bumped up the list!

Tycho, if we end up with 51 on the list, rather than forcing someone off, why don't you just put the handmaiden as an unranked competitor with an asterisk. We pretty much now we're going to get her, we just have to see it in plastic to make sure it is the generic orange handmaiden we all have in mind.

[plasticfetish]

I'd kind of like a softgoods Travel Gown Amidala -- be nice to go with that starship that I hope I'll have room to display some day. :rolleyes: But...

I do have room to display Saurin, Hrcheck Kal Fas right now though. (And I really hope CZ-3 gets a vote, 'cause it's all about Mos Eisley right now.) :)

[Droid]

You're right plasticfetish, for me, it is also all about Mos Eisley. 12 of my personal Top 50 list are from Mos Eisley. Including Jabba's Palace and a few prequel characters 33 of my Top 50 characters are from the planet Tatooine. I hope CZ-3 makes the cut too, but I have other folks to protect so I likely won't ever get to vote for him. Another reason I hope CZ makes the cut is because CZ was the figure B'Omarr Monkey said he wanted most before he left the thread.

[Slicker]

Moff Jerrjerod. You could give him a dying by Royal Guard force pike action feature.

[Hellboy]

Worry not fellas, if I have anything to say about it CZ-3 will make the final cut. It and R5-D4 are the droids I've been looking for. ;)

[DarthBrandon]

I'll be voting to keep Slim Aloo on the list

[Kidhuman]

Luke, Med Frigate

[pegger]

kh - I'd be all for you starting a new poll!!

I've been wanting to cast my vote here....but seeing how there's only 5 or 6 rounds left, I don't want to stir the waters...but I am curiously and anxiously awaiting the final list...

Tycho...very interesting thread to read through and watch evolve...you start the coolest threads.....

[Droid]

pegger, please vote! I'm sure that I speak for everyone when I say the more the merrier, even at this late date! The more voices there are the greater possibility of accuracy in the results!

[Tycho]

Exactly, welcome aboard Pegger. You're welcome to vote and thanks for the compliments.

Kidhuman, thanks for that Luke Medical Frigate vote!!! Seriously.

Captain Panaka (softgoods) is our challenger today. The idea behind this figure is a removeable hat and softgoods so he can sit in the cockpit of the Queen's Royal Starship.

Falling off the list this time but elligible for a write-in are:

Colonel Wulf Yularen, Imperial Conference Table
Advoze, Bom Vimdim, Mos Eisley Cantina

Choose the character you want to be kept on the figures-to-be-made list from:

Captain Panaka (softgoods with removeable hat)
4) Jango Fett, out of armor, Kamino Apartment
5) Herme Odel, Jabba the Hutt’s Palace
6) Padme Black Leather Temptation
7) Commander Tey How, Niemoidian with sensors in eyes and mouth
8) Young Owen Lars
9) Saurin, Hrcheck Kal Fas, Mos Eisley Cantina
10) Moff Jerjerrod, Death Star II Commander, Endor
11) CZ-3 from Mos Eisley Spaceport
12) Slim Aloo, Imperial Dignitary
13) Luke Skywalker, Rebel Medical Frigate
14) Cliegg Lars
15) Black Bespin Security Guard
16) R2D2 Shield Bunker exploded, Endor
17) Mother Ewok with baby Wokling
18) Jocasta Nu, Jedi Librarian
19) Wioslea, buys Luke Skywalker’s landspeeder
20) Arcona, Hem Dazon, Mos Eisley Cantina
21) Padme, Senator, from Palpatine's Office
22) Queen Jamilla
23) Rep Teers
24) Tonbuck Toora, Separatist Leader
25) Han Solo screaming in Bespin Torture Chair
26) Tonnika Sister, Mos Eisley Cantina
27) Anakin Skywalker, Jedi Apprentice
28) Major Bren Derlin, Hoth Echo Base
29) Captain Daultay Dofine, Niemoidian
30) General Tagge, Death Star Conference Table
31) Padme in her Nightgown, Kohoun Attack
32) Beru Whitesun, from AOTC
33) Keeolkeech, Ewok Warrior
34) Ben Quadrinaros, Podracer
35) Luke Skywalker Endor Gear
36) Treva Horme, Cloud City Alien
37) Sgt. Doallyn, Jabba’s Palace
38) Chief Chirpa, Ewok Leader
39) R5D4
40) Biggs Darklighter, Academy Uniform, ANH Lost Scenes
41) Givin, Elris Helrot, Mos Eisley Cantina
42) Lando Calrissian Smugglers Gear, end of ESB
43) Reegesk the Ranat, Mos Eisley Cantina
44) Rebel Flight Technician, Yavin Base
45) CloneTrooper in red, out of armor
46) R2-D2 Lightsaber Launcher resculpt
47) Torryn Farr, Hoth Echo Base
48) M'iiyoom Onith, Nightlily from Mos Eisley Cantina
49) Klaatu, remake of vintage figure from Jabba's
50) General Veers, Imperial Officer w. removeable Hoth Armor



I'll start by voting to write-in Bom Vimdim, Advzoe, Mos Eisley Cantina.
I want to keep him as well as use him in a scene as Tulok the Advoze conqueror who fought against Yaddle the Jedi Master (you know give her a little Yoda lightsaber and give Tulok a force pike). It was the battle that earned Yaddle a place on the Jedi's High Council.

[Battle Droid]

Captain Daultay Dofine

[dindae]

Herme Odel, Jabba the Hutt’s Palace

[plasticfetish]

General Veers for me this time.

[pegger]

Exactly, welcome aboard Pegger. You're welcome to vote and thanks for the compliments.


Thanks for the invite!!

Guess I'll start by writing in Colonel Wulf Yularen, Imperial Conference Table..

[mastermatt24]

For the last one: 46) Moff Jerjerrod, Death Star II Commander, Endor
For this one: General Veers

[Rocketboy]

R2-D2 Lightsaber Launcher resculpt

[Hellboy]

Thanks for the invite!!

Guess I'll start by writing in Colonel Wulf Yularen, Imperial Conference Table..

Thanks for that pegger. :cool:

Since Veers and now Wulf are safe that frees me up to vote for my next favorite from the bottom of the list. The Clone Trooper, out of armor. :D

[Droid]

I'll vote to bump up 49) Klaatu, remake of vintage figure from Jabba's.

Hope someone helps the Nightlilly!

[Kidhuman]

Bump for Torryn Farr.

Thanks Pegger and welcome.

I will be getting with Dindae and Tycho after this is done via PM and we will post the 211(206 now?) figures that Hasbro has not made, rank them, and compare the final list of this vote and that vote and see how much they are alike.

[Deoxyribonucleic]

Luke medical frigate prior poll

Colonel Wulf Yularen, Imperial Conference Table for the current poll.

[JediTricks]

Not trying to get this thread off-track, but...

Since we're only talking about a top 50 out of 200 or so, I was considering presenting a majority of the list of 211 (is that right, 216, something like that) figures as a series of forums polls - either 10 polls with 10 options and the top half are the top 50 in no particular rank, or perhaps some sort of variation on the tournament idea. If I do it with just the major 100, I could possibly use the original data here from the scene-by-scene poll to simply cut the bottom percentile so I can focus on the top half and whittle that down, but I'd need help presenting the proper names of each figure, putting a name with a face, and making sure each round has a good balance of characters. It could end up being more work than it's worth, but it'll get us hundreds of voters choosing from just 10 options each poll rather than the 10 voters choosing from 36 options we have had here. Anybody have any thoughts?

[Deoxyribonucleic]

I think that's an awesome idea JT. If I had to say anything negative about this poll it would be ONLY that there aren't enough people voting but that's all! Your polls are "headline" news and would definitely get more traffic from people who don't necessarily post in the rest of the threads but remain anonymous through the voting polls you do! :)

[Tycho]

JediTricks, a major site poll is a great idea. When I wrap this up by the end of the week, it will be apparent who might've been in a Top 100 when I go over the drop-offs from our Top 50 that came so close.

I'll also be listing all the losers and the differences between our list we sent to Hasbro the first time, and our final product we finish developing here this week.

The reason we are having 47 choices right now is to actually see if the final 2 we need to get rid of will drop off naturally or if there will have to be a "vote-off" round for everyone's "worst 2." These will obviously be contenders for the Top 100, because we're getting the best 50 here.

Red6's website has names and pictures of everyone, including even more obscure characters we never polled for here. To be sure, maybe there are 300 instead of 211, but the choices beyond the 211 sort of suck or else they would have been written in by people thinking of them in our original polls we did.

The hard thing about a brackett tournament you are proposing is who to face who? And how do you decide that - and will it effect your results. This is the same problem I've been struggling with as I put together this poll.

[Tycho]

Well, let's move on. We're so close to being done with this thing.

Falling off the list and elligible for write-in are:

Rebel Flight Technician, Yavin Base
M'iiyoom Onith, Nightlily from Mos Eisley Cantina

Our new challenger is Sei Teria, Chancellor Valorum's Aide.

Choose the character you want to be kept on the figures-to-be-made list from:

Sei Teria, Supreme Chancellor Valorum's Aide
4) General Veers, Imperial Officer w. removeable Hoth Armor
5) Colonel Wulf Yularen, Imperial Conference Table
6) Bom Vimdim, Advzoe, Mos Eisley Cantina
7) Captain Daultay Dofine, Niemoidian
8) Herme Odel, Jabba the Hutt’s Palace
9) R2-D2 Lightsaber Launcher resculpt
10) CloneTrooper in red, out of armor
11) Klaatu, remake of vintage figure from Jabba's
12) Torryn Farr, Hoth Echo Base
13) Moff Jerjerrod, Death Star II Commander, Endor
14) Luke Skywalker, Rebel Medical Frigate
15) Jango Fett, out of armor, Kamino Apartment
16) Padme Black Leather Temptation
17) Commander Tey How, Niemoidian with sensors in eyes and mouth
18) Young Owen Lars
19) Saurin, Hrcheck Kal Fas, Mos Eisley Cantina
20) CZ-3 from Mos Eisley Spaceport
21) Slim Aloo, Imperial Dignitary
22) Cliegg Lars
23) Black Bespin Security Guard
24) R2D2 Shield Bunker exploded, Endor
25) Mother Ewok with baby Wokling
26) Jocasta Nu, Jedi Librarian
27) Wioslea, buys Luke Skywalker’s landspeeder
28) Arcona, Hem Dazon, Mos Eisley Cantina
29) Padme, Senator, from Palpatine's Office
30) Queen Jamilla
31) Rep Teers
32) Tonbuck Toora, Separatist Leader
33) Han Solo screaming in Bespin Torture Chair
34) Tonnika Sister, Mos Eisley Cantina
35) Anakin Skywalker, Jedi Apprentice
36) Major Bren Derlin, Hoth Echo Base
37) General Tagge, Death Star Conference Table
38) Padme in her Nightgown, Kohoun Attack
39) Beru Whitesun, from AOTC
40) Keeolkeech, Ewok Warrior
41) Ben Quadrinaros, Podracer
42) Luke Skywalker Endor Gear
43) Treva Horme, Cloud City Alien
44) Sgt. Doallyn, Jabba’s Palace
45) Chief Chirpa, Ewok Leader
46) R5D4
47) Biggs Darklighter, Academy Uniform, ANH Lost Scenes
48) Givin, Elris Helrot, Mos Eisley Cantina
49) Lando Calrissian Smugglers Gear, end of ESB
50) Reegesk the Ranat, Mos Eisley Cantina


I'll be voting for Biggs Darklighter, Academy Uniform, ANH Lost Scenes

[plasticfetish]

If I had to choose from the three lowest cantina aliens right now, I'd choose M'iiyoom Onith, so he gets my vote to put him back on.

[dindae]

Herme Odel, Jabba the Hutt’s Palace

[Kidhuman]

Cheif Chirpa

[pegger]

Lando in Smuggler's Gear for me please

[Droid]

50) Reegesk the Ranat, Mos Eisley Cantina

Tycho, I predict that someone is going to save all of the "falling off" characters at this point. There are 14 of us and it only takes one vote to save. Everyone has their favorites and someone always takes pity on any given character falling off. So we may well have to force one or two characters off the list. What do you (and others) think about my idea of removing the handmaiden for the time being so that we don't have to force another character off? If we discover the handmaiden isn't generic enough or isn't wearing the orange outfit we are all picturing, you could give the handmaiden her spot back and force whichever character we rank at number 50 off the list. (You had said we would correct the RANKINGS of the figures once the decision was finalized as to who would be ON the list). What does everyone think?

[Rocketboy]

A resculpt of R5-D4

[Tycho]

Tycho, I predict that someone is going to save all of the "falling off" characters at this point. There are 14 of us and it only takes one vote to save. Everyone ha