Scene By Scene: Favorite Figures Never Made Before

[Kidhuman]

PF, I was going to vote for Jamilla, but since you saved her, Trevor Horme it is for me Tycho.

[Droid]

Slicker, I don't think you could use the current Biggs figure to customize your own Tatooinie Biggs. I don't think his helmet comes off. I do think Lando's cape is a good cape to use for customizing a Biggs.

[Slicker]

You know what your right and I looked into it and the magazine used a Lando head on the Luke Celebration Gear (His outfit at the end of Star Wars with the yellow jacket. The hologram one on the green card.) and you can choose the cape of your liking since so many removeable ones have been made. Believe it or not the Lando head didn't look to bad if you lighten the skin a bit. Thanks for pointing that out.

[Slicker]

I've got a question about Treva Horme. Was she even in the movie? I remember the Decipher CCG card of her from Cloud City but I don't recall seeing her in action.

[Tycho]

1) We can't decide Hasbro will do tooling for a 2-pack. That's why the Tonnika Sisters, the Twi'lek girls, the Ewoks, the Lars, etc. are all offered up for votes as single figures. In the case of near twins, I figure it's best to get 1 of them, and buy duplicates, then to specifically pit Brea against Senni and try and figure out if they are both demanded more than the Givin, or if they split their vote and let the Givin win over them for only that reason.


2) Treva Horme was probably not seen in Empire Strikes Back, or you could just barely catch a glimpse of him as Han and Leia walked by with Lando (my guess). The appeal for his figure is that she's an alien, she's tall, (you guys say she's a "she"), and it's a generic useful alien for the Outlander, Coruscant, Cloud City (obviously), Mos Espa, the Podrace crowd, maybe Jabbas, the Refugee Freighter - a lot of options. But Cloud City by itself has so few characters - and it doesn't even seem like a true city if all your figures are "employees" of Lando's (Bespin Guards, Lobot, CCP's, Ugnaughts, etc.) Like the Mos Eisley Cantina, only less ethnicly varied, Cloud City is a Classic Star Wars location that needs its fair share of attention paid to it.

Meanwhile, Treva Horme and Queen Jamilla were saved from being cut off our list.

Kitster and Rep Teers were cut.

Ann (or Tan Gella) and Luke Skywalker Tatooine are on the chopping block now. (and I could care less about another Luke in that outfit :rolleyes: )

From Jabba the Hutt's scenes, R2-D2 with lightsaber launching feature is the new challenger. This figure is a resculpt, but its demand comes from the fact that R2 won Jaff and TheDarthVader's Wave-by-Wave Worst Figure Ever Poll. R2 suffered from a giant 3rd leg. While most guys would be proud of this feature, the fans didn't care for it on R2-D2. I guess the improvement would be to just launch a hilt, or slowly guide it up on a "roundway incline" as you turn R2's head - sort of like the vintage (which did use a blade, but the whole thing was more the size of Yoda's lightsaber than Luke's).

So Choose the figure you want made the most:


R2-D2 with launching lightsaber
34) M'iiyoom Onith, Nightlily from Mos Eisley Cantina
35) R5D4
36) Biggs Darklighter, Academy Uniform, ANH Lost Scenes
37) Padme, Outland Peasant Disguise (from the freighter)
38) Ranat, Reegesk, from Mos Eisley Cantina
39) Ben Quadrinaros, Podracer
40) -Clone Trooper in red, out of armor, from mealtime on Kamino
41) Queen Jamilla
42) Treva Horme, tall Cloud City alien
43) Wald, little Rodian friend of Anakin’s, Mos Espa
44) Chief Chirpa, Ewok Leader
45) Daultay Dofine, Niemoidian captain of Trade Federation Ship
46) -Padme, black leather temptation dress
47) Commander Tey How, Niemoidian with sensors in eyes and mouth
48) Keolkeech, Ewok Warrior
49) Luke Skywalker, Tatooine, with poncho
50) Ann (or Tan) Gella

I'll write back in Rep Teers for my vote.

This puts Ann Gella and Luke Skywalker in danger. I'd say "save Ann" and "lose Luke."

I'm not crazy about Ben Quadrinaros, but I'm not sure I'd vote him out over a resculpt.

R2 can get on, but our list looks really good to start sacraficing now...

[Droid]

Tycho, given your desire to populate different scenes with different aliens, why are you passing on Blue Snaggletooth? I would think you could use him in any number of scenes even if you were passing on using him in your cantina.

M'iiyoom Onith, Nightlily from Mos Eisley Cantina. I originally would have rather had the Ranat, but if they are making the Gotal they have to make the Nightlily!

[Tycho]

I don't like buying stuff I don't need like the extra Obi-Wan and Ponda Baba.

And while I'm interested in seeing the entire vintage line redone and updated, I don't need to buy Snaggletoothe just so Hasbro can complete their task for collectors who will.

If I can get a blue Snaggletoothe by himself off e-Bay or something, if the price is reasonable, I might go for it. (or get him years later when some garage sale has him with the other members of the 3 pack lost or chewed by the family dog).

I noticed you voted for M'iiyoom Onith. She's a perfect example of a figure I would like to add to my cantina more than a blue Zutton. I'm just glad they made Zutton this way for the collectors who wanted him.

[dindae]

Since this is a poll of never made before figures I can't see voting for r2-d2. I figure when we get satisfied with this list we can do a most wanted resculpt list. So I will go with M'iiyoom Onith.

[Kidhuman]

I am going to vote for Keolkeech

[Hellboy]

Well my favorite on this list is R5-D4 but I'm casting another vote for Tey How in an attempt to get her bumped higher up on the list.

Tycho, another unproduced figure that might be a nice challenger is a tall Jawa, as seen in ANH. I've always wanted one of these and for whatever reason wasn't thinking of it when we were doing write-ins. Just an idea though. :)

[Slicker]

I know that it wouldn't exactly be a "new" figure but I'm putting in a vote for R2. I always hated that third leg.

[Droid]

Tycho, I'll be gone until Monday. So, until then you can go ahead and vote for me. The 25 figures I most want, in order, are:

Yarna, Arcona, Cliegg, Episode II Owen, Episode II Beru, Hermi Odle, Tonnikas, Bom Vimdim, Vintage Jabba's Palace Klaatu, NightLilly, Ranat, Jabba's guard that shot Luke, Sgt. Doallyn, Jabba's Palace Ishi Tibb, Chirpa, Lumat, Warok, Romba, Black Bespin Guard, the multiarmed droid from the droid sale in a New Hope, Kitster, Wald, General Tagge, Moff Jerjerrod, and Sim Aloo.

Please cast my votes according to my preferences. I would assume that my votes would just keep going for Nightlilly or the Ranat, but in the event you have Episode II Beru fighting to get on the list this weekend I don't want to miss it!

Be back Monday!

[Tycho]

Grumble...grumble...OK Droid. :rolleyes:

I'll do it.

So you want me to apply your votes in order of your preferences?

What if one of yours is going to fall off the list, like Wald or Chirpa? (from your list, they are the ones down there...)

If they are going to fall off (or do) should I use your vote as a write-in? A strategic vote?

Since R2D2 placed with Slicker's vote, we're going to have to ask for everyone's Top unproduced Jabba The Hutt patrons in order of preference.

We'll take a side-trip to see if any of them can place. I'll give you the rules in a moment.

Hellboy, the tall Jawa was forgotten by all of us at the time. You can write-on in if you think one of the Jawas in Jabba's was tall, but list him in your order of preference for Jabba aliens where he ranks, OK?

Ann Gella and Luke Skywalker are both falling off our list now in case anyone wants to support them. If they don't, then Padme Black Leather, Daultay Dofine, and Chief Chirpa are safe. The choices are getting harder now.

There are 211 figures total possible. If anyone doesn't make the Top 50, it doesn't mean they'll never get made, or even that they won't get made before all our Top 50 do. This list is just advisory to Hasbro. But we do have intentions to see it happen.

Droid, before you go, list as many characters from Jabba The Hutt scenes in ROTJ as you want figures for - same with everyone else - WHILE YOU KEEP VOTING ON THE R2D2 POLL.

Do not include Yarana Dal Gargon, Herme Odel, Klaatu, or R2D2 - they are already on our list.

Our Official Jabba The Hutt Poll is here, with pictures to help you (http://forums.sirstevesguide.com/showthread.php?t=15355) The picture's at the END of my first post. The old link doesn't work in the new forum system - so click on a thumbnail picture, not the large words in red. Now obviously a lot of these characters got done or made our list now. We've been highly accurate on the Cantina, Jabba's, and the Senate. Hasbro is always sent our poll results.

Anyway, my most-wanted Jabba aliens left are, in order of preference:

1) Shasha Teil, the Ishi Tibb
2) Sgt. Doaylln (tank head guard)
3) Human Skiff Guard (who shoots Luke's hand)
4) black human male, Jabba's Guard
5) Umpuss-Stay (Klatoonian like Barada, Max Rebo Band)
6) BG-J38
7) Ak-Rev (Weequay drummer, Max Rebo Band)


List your Jabba characters in order of preference (1= most wanted).

Not all may be polled for. The one most frequently listed at the top of everyone's list will start off, if they don't place, no others will compete. It will go on like this, though perhaps not all of my 7 will make it, or perhaps not even 1 will.

Remember whoever's at the bottom of our list will get kicked off by any of these characters replacing them in our Top 50. It will get extremely difficult!

Each new contender will come in below its last-place competitor. That means we'll start just under R2-D2 lightsaber launcher and go down from there.

Happy voting :crazed:

[Kidhuman]

Sgt. Doaylln (tank head guard)
Shasha Teil, the Ishi Tibb
Oola(carded)
black human male, Jabba's Guard
Woof
Umpuss-Stay
Ak-Rev
BG-J38
Human Skiff Guard
Protocol Droid(from Dungeon getting ripped apart)
Oola(carded)

[JediTricks]

JediTricks, you mentioned Dinner with Andre figures in a prior post. That is a reference from the ending scene of Waiting for Guffman where Christopher Guest has opened a movie memorabilia store that sells odd merchandise like Remains of the Day lunchboxes.Huh, I didn't know that, I never saw "Waiting for Guffman". It is a funny idea though since there's only I believe 3 people in the film "My Dinner with Andre" and they're just sitting and talking, they'd make awful action figures.



Tycho, I don't get this "Strategic voting" thing, isn't this supposed to be a true representation of what we all want? Strategic voting undermines that very notion, destroying the reliability of a poll like this. It's blatantly manipulative and lends disbelievability to the theory that these are figures we want the most. If you want to get certain figures voted off before Padme refugee, you have the power to simply circumvent your current voting schedule and put them up against her now, this is your show (and I don't think anybody actually understands how you're doing this now anyway ;)). Finally, I think this repeated nagging over which figures you want are getting kicked off next is only making the issue worse, this isn't just Tycho's list, this is everybody involved.


PF, I've got to say that between Queen Jamilla and nothing, I'd take nothing every time, so having a Tonnika up there certainly seems better to me than nothing.


On the most recent vote, I'm going with R2 saber launching, I've wanted a good figure of that for 21 years. But I'm very disappointed with how much "strategic voting" has been going on since I last posted 2 days ago, and I think this thread is now just running in circles because of that since with votes based on strategy rather than actual interest you could theoretically have your favorite character come off the list and go back on over and over ad infinitum.

[B'Omarr Monkey]

I agree with JT, the list is starting to go in circles because of the strategic voting to keep bottom feeders on the list instead of voting for the one on the list that is most wanted. I'm one of the people that wouldn't mind pretty much all of them, but the point of this was to pick the one we wanted most, which is why it was so hard at the beginning when the choices were so cutthroat. Now we're strategizing to keep Treva Horme and the Twilek masseuses from dropping off the bottom of the list?

This is still supposed to be a most wanted list. While I'd like to see a Treva Horme or Rep Teers, I still want Ben Quadinaros the most out of the bottom of the list, so I'm still voting for him.

As for Jabba's palace. There aren't many characters left, but my top choices are:

1. Wortt
2. Sergeant Doallyn
3. BG-J38
4. The black skiff guard that looks like Rick James
5. The other Rancor Keeper
6. a new Weequay (different outfit)
7. The Ishi Tibb
8. Ak-Rev
9. Umpass Stay

though to be honest, I'd be satisfied with just the first 3 or 4. There are some good looking creatures that were made but not used like Cane Adiss, the 2-headed giraffe looking thing, though it appears too big to be a carded figure.

[dindae]

Sgt. Doaylln (tank head guard)
Shasha Teil, the Ishi Tibb
Oola(carded)
black human male, Jabba's Guard
Woof
Umpuss-Stay
Ak-Rev
BG-J38
Human Skiff Guard
Protocol Droid(from Dungeon getting ripped apart)
Oola(carded)

What makes you want the one Oola over the other. :p


Here is my list
Ak-rev
Giran
Sergeant Doallyn
Umpass Tay
BG-J38
Velken Tezeri (the guard Luke steals the gun from)
Shasa Tiel
Ardon Crell
Fozec (Black Skiff Guard)
Worrt


JT I agree with what you say about the strategic voting. Which is why I won't be doing any saving a character votes unless I believe it is the best figure out on the list.

[Kidhuman]

What makes you want the one Oola over the other. :p


The fact that I never got the other one. :p :beard:

[Deoxyribonucleic]

my vote goes to M'iiyoom Onith, Nightlily from Mos Eisley Cantina

[Rocketboy]

R2-D2 with launching lightsaber - but only if it really luanched.

I have no preference for random background aliens, so I'll refrain from a Jabba list.

[Deoxyribonucleic]

Adding my Jabba's Palace list starting with most wanted...

1. Hermie Odle
2. Cz-3 w/removeable limbs; he's down in the dungeon w/EV-9d9 (kill 2 birds with one stone with this)
3. Sergeant Doallyn
4. BG-J38
5. Yarna D'al Gargan
6. Bib Fortuna resculpt (BIG TIME)
7. Sail Barge Guard that looks like Randy Quad (has gray hunters hat on and is on the POTJ deluxe slave leia cardback.
8.Yak-Face resculpt
9. OT version of Sy Snootles
10. Weequay resculpt
11. Worrt
12. EV-9d9 resculpt
13. Shasha Teil (Ishi Tib)
14. Giran
15. Human Skiff Guard

that's all I can think of so far....

[Tycho]

My how everyone likes to start trouble.

Strategic voting is VERY democratic for this thread.

Simply:

1) It allows characters to come on and gives the minority a chance. Kidhuman was the only one of us to vote for a Tatooine Luke. Luke's last competitor to make the list was R5D4, so with Kid's vote, Luke could hop on the list as high up as "just under R5." If he can stay there is up to everyone else, but it gives Kidhuman and Luke a chance because if Luke just gets on the bottom of the list - he's off in like the very next round.

2) I'd like characters like the Red Jumpsuit Clone Trooper, who can fall, as he is liked, but perhaps not as much as someone else likes Ben Quadrinaros. Meanwhile, and eventually, Kidhuman will have to decide if he likes Wald or the Clone Trooper more (just as an example - don't remember how he voted as I write this). But someone will have to be sacraficed if Beru Whitesun is going to come on, etc.

3) I think the majority of us don't want Tatooine Luke. Whereas he came in higher than the Clone Trooper, he'd never competed with the Clone. If I "strategically" try to keep my Clone, and no one else supports Luke, he'll fall off. Eventually, even if Kidhuman really wants (to torture us with another) Luke, another character that Kidhuman wants more than Luke will come along and

We will be picking and prioritizing our favorites


Contrary to others' beliefs, I do know what I'm doing and it is completely fair - and yes, while I'm acting in the best interests of characters I want - you all can do the same too. But eventually no one will be able to keep a less popular character on the list. Take the Naboo Clergyman. He's come and gone twice now. (He got back because Hasbro took off characters from our list like Feltipern Trevag by actually making them).

In any case, a character can only come back as a write-in immediately after they were cut off.

Thus we're losing Luke Tatooine (hopefully) and Ann (or Tan) Gella after this round (unless someone votes for them), and while I'm thinking about writing Ann Gella in, it will put Padme Black Leather Temptation on the chopping block (unless someone supports her) and I have to deal with the fact that Sgt. Doaylln will be the likely first competitor from Jabbas to enter the fray, and I'd really like a figure of him. So tough choices will have to be made.

That's part of this: actually prioritizing a list by our actions, not just our numbered lists - especially when some of our new challengers never went against characters from another movie and so forth.

So before anyone else complains, analyze my system and look at what would happen under several scenerios with write-ins of the immediately fallen, new challengers, etc. etc.

Several of you wanted R2, but another said that since we all voted for Yarna or Herme or Klaatu, Doaylln, not R2 would have been our 4th choice. Well, once Doaylln or another Jabba alien makes it on our list, they'll have the chance to actually pass R2 and climb the ladder if they can using this system. So then we'd actually know who was 4th choice, etc. If Beru's coming on, and you have to give up R2, Doaylln, or Tey How, we'll see who you want the most when a tough choice comes.

And no, I can't control the list nor write-in all those that fall off who I want forever - neither can anybody. Very soon we will be fighting for the ones we want the most.


Keep listing your prioritized ROTJ Jabba the Hutt scene interests.

Let me know as well if you decline to supply one, have no interest in these characters, etc. JediTricks, I know how you feel about Jabba's, so I don't expect a list from you.


DROID gave me permission to vote for him according to his posts above (and he's up-to-date on the current R2 poll) so I'm listing his Jabba picks that aren't on our list in his prioritized list as follows:


1) Jabba’s guard that shot Luke
2) Sgt. Doallyn
3) Shasha Teil


by the way: Woof is the vintage figure Klaatu (a green Nikto). He's already on our list. Red6 lists 2 different characters for Klaatu and Woof, but they're honestly close enough. It's like the whole Rabe vs. Padme Handmaiden debate. We'll see how things turn out.

[Kidhuman]

Tycho, I voted for an Endor Luke with Poncho.

[Kidhuman]

Tycho, I voted for an Endor Luke with Poncho.

Ack, it was Tatooine Luke, grrrrrrrrrrrr, I dont want that one,drop his @SS off the list, shows what happens when you are tired and vote. You dont read everything clearly. :beard:

[Tycho]

Well, Luke Tatooine (and Ann [or Tan] Gella) have dropped off our list as Rep Teers was kept on and R2D2 with Lightsaber Launcher joined our cast of characters.

I am closing the time for Jabba the Hutt denizen submissions. We have a pretty good list of 9 characters I prioritized based on how people voted.

The method? Assign each persons first pick a "1", their 2nd pick a "2", then when I have everyone's list (who got one in) I add up each character's number and divide it by how many people voted for that character. The most votes any character got (being listed in someone's want list, was 6) so in the event of a close call, I weighted a character with 6 votes and a decimal space higher than another character with the same ranking number, one notch ahead of the other character that only 5 or 4 people voted for.

In order of your preferences, Sgt. Doallyn was clearly the most wanted, and this matches our Official SSG Jabba Poll (as the Top 6 then were Yarna, Herme, Bubo (made shortly thereafter), J'Quille (made shortly thereafter), Rappertune (made shortly thereafter), and Sgt. Doallyn). By your rankings, the 2 human skiff guards and the droid beat out other aliens, just so you know. Depending upon how these folks place, you may or may not see the other Max Rebo Band Members get a chance to compete for our list. But remember, this is their 2nd chance anyway: Yarna, Herme, and Klaatu (Woof) beat them before (and that's why they're on the list already). All the characters below are fighting for their spot under Klaatu (Woof).

Sgt. Doallyn is up first.

Choose the figure you want made the most:

Sgt. Doallyn, Jabba's Palace
34) M'iiyoom Onith, Nightlily from Mos Eisley Cantina
35) R2-D2 Lightsaber Launcher resculpt
36) Rep Teers
37) Keolkeech, Ewok Warrior
38) Commander Tey How, Niemoidian with sensors in eyes and mouth
39) Ben Quadrinaros, Podracer
40) R5D4
41) Biggs Darklighter, Academy Uniform, ANH Lost Scenes
42) Padme, Outland Peasant Disguise (from the freighter)
43) Ranat, Reegesk, from Mos Eisley Cantina
44) -Clone Trooper in red, out of armor, from mealtime on Kamino
45) Queen Jamilla
46) Treva Horme, tall Cloud City alien
47) Wald, little Rodian friend of Anakin’s, Mos Espa
48) Chief Chirpa, Ewok Leader
49) Daultay Dofine, Niemoidian captain of Trade Federation Ship
50) -Padme, black leather temptation dress

And now's a perfect example of strategic voting.

I want Doallyn, but it'll take more than just my vote.

True, it would take only 1 vote to get Doallyn listed, but many of you have to want him more than someone else on this list to keep him there over the long run. I could feasibly be voting for him later, or writing him back in myself in a few rounds.

Now my displays could manage without: R5D4, Keolkeech, Quadrinaros, R2D2, and in a pinch, M'iiyoom Onith. I'd rather have Doallyn over any of these, except for maybe M'iiyoom.

However, I do want the Twi'lek girls more than the ones I said I could manage without. So I'll write back in Ann (or Tan) Gella.

This will push Padme Black Leather (who I also really want) off (unless she gets voted up), and then Daultay Dofine and Chief Chirpa are in danger if Doallyn makes the list.

I'll write in any of the ones I want for as long as I am able to (I only get 1 vote and a write-in from a fall only qualifies just after the fall and before they're burried, so anyone fighting for their "special interest" can only take it so far).

My hope is that some of the ones I can live without will fall off and not get written back on.

There are some figures coming up like Beru, that I want way more than some on our list. Depending upon how the list looks when they compete, I may be able to cast my vote for a new challenger.

But I think the list the way we have it is highly accurate, and the characters are getting prioritized very accurately the way this poll is being operated.

Vote away in the Sgt. Doallyn poll.

[Slicker]

R2-D2 with launching lightsaber - but only if it really luanched. I'm with him. I want that saber to come out so fast that it would plow through a little kids eyeball when he's playing with it and lodge half way in the brain. I can't believe I just typed that, like a little kid would ever find one of those on the shelf for his mommy to buy after us collectors take em all. BWAHAHAHAHA!!! But mark me down for R2 even though I wouldn't mind a Sgt. Doallyn

[Tycho]

I forgot to vote for Droid. According to his preferences he'd posted, he'd vote for M'iiyoom Onith, Nightlily from Mos Eisley Cantina in this poll.

I'll adjust my records to reflect that.

[Rocketboy]

I'm with him. I want that saber to come out so fast that it would plow through a little kids eyeball when he's playing with it and lodge half way in the brain. I can't believe I just typed thatNeither do I, since I nearly typed something fairly similar the first time...:D

I also want that S&M Padme, but since it seems to be a losing battle...My vote again goes for R2!

[Deoxyribonucleic]

Tycho, I'm with you on this one, I really would like to see Sgt. Doallyn made into about 4 inches of plastic ;)

[dindae]

M'iiyoom again.

[Kidhuman]

Cheif Chirpa must stay around. He got my vote.

[JediTricks]

Strategic voting is VERY democratic for this thread.This isn't the presidency we're talking about, these are which toys we AS A GROUP would like to see. Strategic voting in this circumstance is not showing what WE would like to see most, the losers-off-the-bottom poll was doing that just fine to begin with, strategic voting is merely manipulative of the system to force an artificial outcome.


1) It allows characters to come on and gives the minority a chance. Kidhuman was the only one of us to vote for a Tatooine Luke. Luke's last competitor to make the list was R5D4, so with Kid's vote, Luke could hop on the list as high up as "just under R5." If he can stay there is up to everyone else, but it gives Kidhuman and Luke a chance because if Luke just gets on the bottom of the list - he's off in like the very next round. So what, if Luke gets to the bottom of the list in the next round, that's how everybody AS A GROUP determined the chips shall fall. This is what the losers poll was about already, strategic voting destroys that.

2) I'd like characters like the Red Jumpsuit Clone Trooper, who can fall, as he is liked, but perhaps not as much as someone else likes Ben Quadrinaros. Meanwhile, and eventually, Kidhuman will have to decide if he likes Wald or the Clone Trooper more (just as an example - don't remember how he voted as I write this). But someone will have to be sacraficed if Beru Whitesun is going to come on, etc. That's the ENTIRE POINT! Just because 1 person likes the Clone doesn't mean it should get preferential treatment, but strategic voting does exactly that, it manipulates the system to ensure that people's opinions don't really count. Instead of the GROUP now saying "I like the clone trooper more than Quadinaros", strategic voting can simply kick Quadinaros back up into the system defeating the point of the group opinion and its decision to have him fall off.

3) I think the majority of us don't want Tatooine Luke. Whereas he came in higher than the Clone Trooper, he'd never competed with the Clone. If I "strategically" try to keep my Clone, and no one else supports Luke, he'll fall off. Eventually, even if Kidhuman really wants (to torture us with another) Luke, another character that Kidhuman wants more than Luke will come along Sounds to me like strategic voting is transplanting the group voting results with your opinion of what they "should be". If Luke Tatooine is to survive, it should be on the merits of the actual votes, not a single vote driven by strategizing will.

In any case, a character can only come back as a write-in immediately after they were cut off. Since when? Did I miss this in one of your buried posts 20 pages back? That's how YOU do it, but A) it's not fair to those who miss a day's posting, and B) no assurance that's how other strategic votes have been working.

That's part of this: actually prioritizing a list by our actions, not just our numbered lists - especially when some of our new challengers never went against characters from another movie and so forth. Thus you're suggesting that a single person who takes more action than others to ensure his interests on this list has a more valuable opinion than the rest of us. How exactly is that "democratic" as you suggested it was? Because he campaigns more? Because he manipulates the ballot more through strategic voting? Doesn't sound very democratic to me, sounds manipulative and discounting of the general vote.


The method? Assign each persons first pick a "1", their 2nd pick a "2", then when I have everyone's list (who got one in) I add up each character's number and divide it by how many people voted for that character. The most votes any character got (being listed in someone's want list, was 6) so in the event of a close call, I weighted a character with 6 votes and a decimal space higher than another character with the same ranking number, one notch ahead of the other character that only 5 or 4 people voted for. Hello, where did this come from? Or are you starting this new system with the statement itself? What about the people who DON'T want these like myself, isn't the absence of my going to skew the math, or are you counting the disinterested voter as a voter even with zeroes on all the results?

Honestly, I'm confused now, between the strategic voting and now this number system, I don't know what is going on.


Sgt. Doallyn, Jabba's Palace
34) M'iiyoom Onith, Nightlily from Mos Eisley Cantina
35) R2-D2 Lightsaber Launcher resculpt
36) Rep Teers
37) Keolkeech, Ewok Warrior
38) Commander Tey How, Niemoidian with sensors in eyes and mouth
39) Ben Quadrinaros, Podracer
40) R5D4
41) Biggs Darklighter, Academy Uniform, ANH Lost Scenes
42) Padme, Outland Peasant Disguise (from the freighter)
43) Ranat, Reegesk, from Mos Eisley Cantina
44) -Clone Trooper in red, out of armor, from mealtime on Kamino
45) Queen Jamilla
46) Treva Horme, tall Cloud City alien
47) Wald, little Rodian friend of Anakin’s, Mos Espa
48) Chief Chirpa, Ewok Leader
49) Daultay Dofine, Niemoidian captain of Trade Federation Ship
50) -Padme, black leather temptation dress R2 Saber Launch. 2nd choice would be R5-D4. There are others on the list I have voted for in the past, none of which are near the bottom at the moment.

[B'Omarr Monkey]

Ben Quadinaros is still the one I want most on this list, but I'd rather have Sgt. Doallyn than tramp Amidala (in plastic anyway), so I'd rather see him on the least than the Padmé figure I want least.

[Hellboy]

I'll go with R5-D4.

As far as the voting goes, its your poll to run how you see fit Tycho but I do think having to vote for the same couple of characters each round not because they're your favorite choice but because they might fall off the list isn't as much fun as voting off your least favorite.

One thing I could see this poll benefiting from would be a more normal pace to the thread. Its seemed a bit chaotic at times and I've missed out on votes/write-ins because I didn't check the thread twice in under a 24hr period. If you're interested in getting most everyone's vote I'd suggest no more than one poll within a 24hr period. Don't take this as me baggin on the poll or the list I just thought I'd add my 2 cents. :)

[B'Omarr Monkey]

I think Hellboy's onto something there. Maybe instead of voting for our favorite character on the bottom tier of the list, we should be voting for which character we have the least interest in so that we can see them removed. If I'm naming Ben Quadinaros for my next twenty posts here, this is going to get real boring real fast. I'm not sure how many caharcters we still have left to try and squeeze onto the list. We had a top fifty, then when Hasbro named some of our choices as definitely being produced, shouldn't the characters that ranked 51-whatever been bumped up onto the top 50 list?

I'm not sure what this is we're doing here except to run around in circles in an attempt to get as many posts as possible in a single thread.

[Tycho]

I'm willing to entertain some suggestions here as to how you'd like me to change the process, and do it if it's a better idea, but let's see if we can work the bugs out.

The biggest challenge I see in voting for the figure you want the least is, how do we add a new character at the same time. I'm going to use Star Trek for just the sample example because that way it won't confuse anybody.

This will teach you how I'm running the poll.

STAGE 1: Vote for your favorite character results:

4 Archer
10 T'Pol
3 Tucker
2 Mayweather
1 Reed
2 Phlox
0 Sato


12 Kirk
3 Spock
0 McCoy
1 Scotty
0 Uhura
0 Sulu
0 Chekov


5 Picard
1 Riker
8 Worf
7 Data
0 LaForge
2 Crusher
0 Troi

3 Sisko
8 Odo
5 Kira
1 Dax
0 Bashir
0 O'Brien
2 Quark

STAGE 2: vote for your favorite "winner"

3 Odo
9 Worf
7 Kirk
2 T'pol


STAGE 3: I compose a Top 20 List in order of highest votes to lowest, but recognizing finalists:

8 Worf
12 Kirk
8 Odo
10 T'Pol
7 Data
5 Picard
5 Kira
4 Archer
3 Tucker
3 Spock
3 Sisko
2 Mayweather
2 Crusher
2 Quark
1 Reed
1 Scotty
1 Riker
1 Dax


However, some of these characters are tied for the same amounts of votes and they never competed against each other, so how am I to know how they ranked? Tucker, Spock, and Sisko? Who's wanted more? How do we know?

Next, we only have 18, not a Top 20. You guys think that Classic Trek got shut out by Kirk, and that other characters didn't get a chance to compete.

STAGE 4: I ask you to list your most-wanted Classic Trek characters not on our list (everyone excluding Kirk and Spock, and Scotty)

Averaging your responses, we determine that your preferences are:

McCoy
Uhura
Chekov
Sulu

STAGE 5: Under Scotty, the lowest ranked Classic Trekker, I poll for McCoy first.

Who do you want the most from:

McCoy
Riker
Dax

You vote:

7 McCoy
12 Riker
2 Dax


I amend the list as follows:

Worf
Kirk
Odo
T'Pol
Data
Picard
Kira
Archer
Tucker
Spock
Sisko
Mayweather
Crusher
Quark
Reed
Scotty
Riker
McCoy
Dax


Now there's still room for one more in the Top 20 under McCoy (from Classic Trek).

Who do you want the most?

Uhura
Dax

You vote:

7 Uhura
12 Dax

The Top 20 is semi-finished now and looks like this:

Worf
Kirk
Odo
T'Pol
Data
Picard
Kira
Archer
Tucker
Spock
Sisko
Mayweather
Crusher
Quark
Reed
Scotty
Riker
McCoy
Dax
Uhura

There can be no more Classic Trek Polls, because there is no more room for Classic Trek figures in the Top 20.

Just because Sulu didn't get a poll doesn't mean that the company will never make him. Instead, we can look to him like "The Ice Cream Maker Guy" - when greater priorities are made and completed.

STAGE 6: Now we authenticate the list.

No one here knows if Reed is wanted less than Quark, or how they'd rank if they were both on the same list. They never got a chance to directly compete.

So we start at the bottom and see who will work their way on for each category - and kick whoever else off if they don't belong in light of the greater group.

Dax from DS9 is the next lowest character. We'll see if Bashir or O'Brien deserve to be on the list more.

Taking everyone under Dax (which is only Uhura) we go:

Who do you want the most?

Uhura
O'Brien

We get:

16 O'Brien
12 Uhura

The list gets amended as follows:


Worf
Kirk
Odo
T'Pol
Data
Picard
Kira
Archer
Tucker
Spock
Sisko
Mayweather
Crusher
Quark
Reed
Scotty
Riker
McCoy
Dax
O'Brien

Uhura is kicked off the list.

Now since Bashir was tied with O'Brien, (both at 0 votes), he gets tested but fails to beat O'Brien. The list doesn't change.

Now we go up to Riker and check the TNG list with La Forge:

Who do you want the most?

LaForge
McCoy
Dax
O'Brien

You vote:

8 McCoy
11 O'Brien
3 LaForge
0 Dax

- ah...Dax actually drops off the list as more support is shown for newcomer LaForge, and the others, including even O'Brien, who didn't initially beat her, but lost votes to Odo and Sisko when they were in the fray.

The list is amended as follows:


18)O'brien
19) McCoy
20) La Forge


Dax falls off the list and it's re-prioritized by the fans' actions, not their words.

I'll cover write-ins later. I'm really tired and need to go to bed.

I'll add a new poll in a minute here.

But you guys'll have to trust me. I do know what I'm doing.

[plasticfetish]

Just because Sulu didn't get a poll doesn't mean that the company will never make him. Instead, we can look to him like "The Ice Cream Maker Guy" - when greater priorities are made and completed.Uh... did you just compare Sulu to the ice cream maker guy? Shameful.

;)

I should vote before my internet provider randomly cuts me off again...

Last: Daultay Dofine

Before last: Chief Chirpa

Will do ROTJ Jabba list later. (Though I think it'll be about the same as most.)

[Kidhuman]

I vote for LaForge.

[Tycho]

Very cute Kidhuman...

Anyway, Padme Black Leather Temptation and Wald fall off our list and are eligible for write-ins.

Fozec, the black human male skiff guard from Jabba's is our next competitor who could take away someone else's spot on the list.

Choose the character you want made the most from:


Fozec, black human male skiff guard from Jabba the Hutt's
37) Ann (or Tan) Gella, Sebulba’s Twi’lek Masseuse
38) Chief Chirpa, Ewok Leader
39) R5D4
40) Rep Teers
41) Keolkeech, Ewok Warrior
42) Commander Tey How, Niemoidian with sensors in eyes and mouth
43) Ben Quadrinaros, Podracer
44) Biggs Darklighter, Academy Uniform, ANH Lost Scenes
45) Padme, Outland Peasant Disguise (from the freighter)
46) Ranat, Reegesk, from Mos Eisley Cantina
47) -Clone Trooper in red, out of armor, from mealtime on Kamino
48) Queen Jamilla
49) Treva Horme, tall Cloud City alien
50) Daultay Dofine, Niemoidian captain of Trade Federation Ship


I don't think Fozec is more interesting than any of the characters on our list above.

And see (all disbelievers) I am at a point where I can't write back in both figures which fell off, Padme and Wald, even though I'd want them more than some of you guys' favorites that still remain (like R5D4, Keelokeech, and Quadrinaros).

I can only write in and "save" one of them (though someone else can write-in and save the other).

If Fozec makes it on, the list will adjust. If he doesn't, someone eventually will that you all want more.

Meanwhile, will we be voting on the same batch of characters for a little while? Sure. But the least popular will sink to the bottom and if no one supports them with a write-in, or can't. They'll stay off the Top 50 list.

I'm voting to write back in Padme Black Leather Temptation and therefore I can't do anything about Wald who I've written in before. I had to choose one or the other and just hope one of you writes in Wald.

I think that Dofine and Treva Horme, who can fall off the list, will be written back on, and the least popular on the list will eventually sink off of it, as good choices for challengers (like Beru) are coming soon.

See, the system does work. Now we'll find out just how much merit Wald has or he's gone. Will Fozec replace anybody on our list? You decide.

[Tycho]

Droid's designated vote according to his prioritized list is for Reegesk the Ranat from the Mos Eisley Cantina.

[Hellboy]

The biggest challenge I see in voting for the figure you want the least is, how do we add a new character at the same time.

Actually it would be pretty easy. You have the current list of 50 and the new challenger makes 51, you vote for the character you'd like to see kicked off, just like an episode of "Survivor". If the challenger doesn't receive the most votes it earns a spot on our list while the loser drops off leaving you with 50 figures at the end of every poll.

I also think having a write in system really isn't fair. If a character falls off the list we should let them go. Looking at the current list I don't see how a character like Aan or (Tan) Gella who was at the bottom of the list last round and received only 1 vote should be placed 5 spots higher than someone like Tey How, who I've voted for at least 3 times out of the last 6 polls. :confused:

As far as the current round goes my vote goes to R5-D4 again.

[Tycho]

OK, the problem I'm seeing with the Survivor Style is that several characters can receive tied amounts of votes:

Vote for one you'd like kicked off the Top 5

challenger: Janeway
1) Kirk
2) Worf
3) Odo
4) T'Pol
5) Picard

votes go (to kick off)

12 T'Pol
7 Odo
1 Worf
0 Picard
0 Kirk

OK, so T'Pol would be kicked off and the list would look like:

1) Kirk
2) Worf
3) Picard (advances over Odo because he had less "hate votes")
4) Odo
5) Janeway

T'Pol is kicked off.

This sort of works alright, but it's just the inverse of what we are doing.

Plus do people really want Janeway, or just hate T'Pol? It's kind of negative, and I tend to like to be more positive.

Oh, and how do we know that people haven't changed their minds and want Picard more than Kirk now? Positive votes help rank better.

I'm still listening and we'll see if you way is a better idea and impliment it if you convince me.

------------------------------------------------------------------

Meanwhile, let's analyze what just happened with our Star Wars votes between you and me since we're the first to vote on this latest poll (Fozec).

1) Ann (or Tan) Gella who you complained about being bumped up by my write-in, is already falling.

2) You put up R5D4 who I think is completely unnecessary next to new figures. But R5 already surpassed Ann (or Tan) Gella.

3) R5 could stay higher than Ann Gella if more of the others voting here prefer the droid like you do.

4) I have Wald I'd like to write back in, but can't because I lost my turn to do so by supporting Padme Black Leather (who I had to choose and say I wanted more than Wald). Wald will now either be written in by someone else or be permanently off the Top 50 list. He's on his last chance.

5) If Fozec makes his way on the list, Daultay Dofine (who I want) will fall off and I'll have to work on writing him in if need be. Or it'll be Treva, the Clone, the Queen, Padme, or Biggs - all of whom might fall depending upon how others vote. I have only 1 vote though. I can't support all these characters - I already lost Wald (unless someone writes him in (please!) ) If it comes down to Quadrinaros, I WON'T write him in. That could be Beru's space or something in my opinion. Yet I only get 1 vote. But if Quadrinaros' fans support him enough, it'll be someone else like Treva, the Clone, the Queen, Padme, or Biggs, and I can't save them all.

The list will sort itself out like Survivor, giving 2nd and sometimes 3rd chances (like this is Wald's 3rd Strike if he doesn't get a hit) so the system does work -and it protects "minority vote interests" along the way to a degree. We'll see if the Wald crowd can make it happen for him, for example.

So I'm inclined to go on the way we have been.

Characters that have come off the list permanently (for the Top 50, not the 211 possible, mind you) are:


Luke Tatooine
Kitster
Naboo Clergyman
Dooku's Pilot Droid

And others that failed to get on include

Brainiac
Kamino civilian

so we're making progress.

Usually we are climbing the list - starting voting on ranks higher then #36 or thereabouts. But with Sgt. Doallyn's placing, we're working our way down again, over many of the same characters with some heck of a lot of staying power (look at Tey How for example!) and seeing if there is room for any more Jabba characters around the bottom there. - Not to mention the fact that if Jabba characters get on at the bottom, they can climb up if they receive positive votes (made all the easier by voting for who we like, not who we detest). Plus it's nicer so that I'm not "pitted against you" in a "down with R5D4 campaign."

That's all. Re-read what I wrote and see if you understand how this works and "Wald's Adventure."

[dindae]

I will vote for Biggs.

[Rocketboy]

Ben Quadrinaros, Podracer

[Deoxyribonucleic]

Biggs for me too please :)

[B'Omarr Monkey]

Ben Quadinaros.

[Kidhuman]

Queen Jamilla

[Tycho]

It looks like the Jabba the Hutt polls are over with these characters on our list:

# 1 Yarna dal Gargon
# 31 Herme Odle
# 33 Klaatu (Woof or vintage green Nikto)
# 36 Sgt. Doallyn

This matches with our list from the Official SSG Poll.

Anticipating your expected complaints :D here's how the Jabba Poll Characters broke down by your lists.

Contestant # 1 was Sgt. Doallyn who made the list.

Doallyn's votes: 2, 1, 2, 3, 2, 1 (These were what number he ranked for each of you)

Fozec, black human male: 4,4,4,9,1,2

BG-J38, droid: 6,7,3,5,2 - only 5 votes instead of 6.

human skiff guard who shot Luke's hand: 3,8,1,4 - only 4 votes versus 5 or 6

Shasha Teil (Ishi Tibb): 1,2,7,7,3,10, 6 votes, but lower on a lot of people's lists than the humans and droid

Ak-Rev (Weequay, Max Rebo Band): 7,6,8,1 - only 4 votes, but lower on people's lists than the human skiff guard

Umpuss Stay (Klatoonian, Max Rebo Band): 5,5,9,4 - averages out .25 lower than Ak-Rev.

Other characters that got less than 4 votes from anyone, regardless of whether it was their first pick or not, just don't justify competing.

We got a lot of Jabba the Hutt characters made this year (J'Quille, Tanus, Rappertune, Bubo) and we've got the rest of the best on our list already. Doallyn qualified on the official poll, so it's no surprise he did well. The others, well...that's that. They can compete again one day when we get our Top 50 made and Hasbro has the last 161 to work with.

The Jabba's Poll is closed.

We're back to our main list of ones that just didn't get a chance to compete with characters from other movies, but came awfully close.

From Episode 4: A New Hope, our next contender is HAN SOLO: YAVIN CEREMONY

Captain Daultay Dofine drops off of our list and it looks like Wald is permanently gone from the Top 50 now.

Now choose the character you want made the most from:
Han Solo, Yavin Ceremony
31) Herme Odel, Jabba the Hutt’s Palace
32) Saurin, Hrchek Kal Fas, Mos Eisley Cantina
33) Klaatu, remake of vintage figure from Jabba's
34) R2-D2 Lightsaber Launcher resculpt
35) M'iiyoom Onith, Nightlily from Mos Eisley Cantina
36) Sgt. Doallyn, Jabba’s Palace
37) Biggs Darklighter, Academy Uniform, ANH Lost Scenes
38) Ben Quadrinaros, Podracer
39) Padme Black Leather Temptation
40) Ranat, Reegesk, from Mos Eisley Cantina
41) R5D4
42) Queen Jamilla
43) Ann (or Tan) Gella, Sebulba’s Twi’lek Masseuse
44) Chief Chirpa, Ewok Leader
45) Rep Teers
46) Keolkeech, Ewok Warrior
47) Commander Tey How, Niemoidian with sensors in eyes and mouth
48) Padme, Outland Peasant Disguise (from the freighter)
49) -Clone Trooper in red, out of armor, from mealtime on Kamino
50) Treva Horme, tall Cloud City alien

I'll elect to write back in Daultay Dofine. I personally think this Han is boring and barely different from any other Han except his shirt is buttoned up (Ooooh). :rolleyes: I'd rather see people rescue Treva Horme and the Clone Trooper myself.

[Tycho]

Droid will be voting for Herme Odle according to his instructions.

[plasticfetish]

My internet connection is back up and at full speed again, so... Treva Horme.

[Rocketboy]

R2-D2 Lightsaber Launcher resculpt

[Kidhuman]

Solo ceremony

[Deoxyribonucleic]

sgt. doallyn for me please and some breakfast cereal.

[dindae]

hermi odle for me for as long as his is in a poll. Han Ceremony would just be Commtech Han with a medal.

[Battle Droid]

Tey How gets my vote!

[Slicker]

R2 with eyeball piercing saber for me.

[Hellboy]

Now choose the character you want made the most from:
Han Solo, Yavin Ceremony
31) Herme Odel, Jabba the Hutt’s Palace
32) Saurin, Hrchek Kal Fas, Mos Eisley Cantina
33) Klaatu, remake of vintage figure from Jabba's
34) R2-D2 Lightsaber Launcher resculpt
35) M'iiyoom Onith, Nightlily from Mos Eisley Cantina
36) Sgt. Doallyn, Jabba’s Palace
37) Biggs Darklighter, Academy Uniform, ANH Lost Scenes
38) Ben Quadrinaros, Podracer
39) Padme Black Leather Temptation
40) Ranat, Reegesk, from Mos Eisley Cantina
41) R5D4
42) Queen Jamilla
43) Ann (or Tan) Gella, Sebulba’s Twi’lek Masseuse
44) Chief Chirpa, Ewok Leader
45) Rep Teers
46) Keolkeech, Ewok Warrior
47) Commander Tey How, Niemoidian with sensors in eyes and mouth
48) Padme, Outland Peasant Disguise (from the freighter)
49) -Clone Trooper in red, out of armor, from mealtime on Kamino
50) Treva Horme, tall Cloud City alien

The Clone Trooper in red, out of armor gets my vote!

[JediTricks]

Gee, it's so rewarding missing a day. :rolleyes:

I can't follow what you're getting at Tycho, you type far too much for me to figure out what you're saying there on the first pass and I really don't want to spend my whole Sunday deciphering your reasonings on a thread that was supposed to be about what people actually WANTED in the first place.

I think I like the idea of getting the bottom losers together and voting them OFF rather than keeping them around, but voting for just 1 loser to leave would almost certainly garner more strategic voting than any other style, so I'm asking to not do it that way.

Until we see a candidate I like more, I will just keep voting for R2 saber launching.

[Tycho]

Well, Droid is going to get to vote for himself tomorrow, so we'll definitely be waiting for him to vote on this next poll.

Keeolkeech the Ewok Warrior and Padme Outland Peasant Disguise fell off our list and are eligible this round for write-in.

I appologize in advance for the next two resculpts who are our challengers, but I didn't vote for them - you did. They have the votes to merit a challenge from since back to their original competition.

Han Solo in Stormtrooper Disguise (carded obviously) continues the "Han Solo challenger department's" next entry.

Choose the figure you want made the most from:

Han Solo Stormtrooper Disguise
36) Sgt. Doallyn, Jabba’s Palace
37) Commander Tey How, Niemoidian with sensors in eyes and mouth
38) -Clone Trooper in red, out of armor, from mealtime on Kamino
39) Saurin, Hrchek Kal Fas, Mos Eisley Cantina
40) Klaatu, remake of vintage figure from Jabba's
41) M'iiyoom Onith, Nightlily from Mos Eisley Cantina
42) Biggs Darklighter, Academy Uniform, ANH Lost Scenes
43) Ben Quadrinaros, Podracer
44) Padme Black Leather Temptation
45) Ranat, Reegesk, from Mos Eisley Cantina
46) R5D4
47) Queen Jamilla
48) Ann (or Tan) Gella, Sebulba’s Twi’lek Masseuse
49) Chief Chirpa, Ewok Leader
50) Rep Teers

Well, I want both the characters that fell off, but I get only 1 write-in: Padme Outland Peasant Disguise. I need her in that ugly outfit to go with Anakin more than the Ewok, and I need a carded Han Trooper like I need a hole in the head.

[B'Omarr Monkey]

I don't know how I ended up two votes behind, but I'd rather have Treva Horme, Red armorless Clone and Padme in her Outland Peasant disguise than either Han Solo offered.

Beyond that, I'm still voting for Ben Quadinaros.

[plasticfetish]

Ouch... let's put Keeolkeech the Ewok Warrior back on. Let's hope Chirpa doesn't get bumped off though.

They could do a carded Stormtrooper Han as a "fan's choice" figure or something. Cheap and easy... just the way they like 'em. ;)

[dindae]

M'iiyoom Onith for me.

[Kidhuman]

Ouch... let's put Keeolkeech the Ewok Warrior back on. Let's hope Chirpa doesn't get bumped off though.

They could do a carded Stormtrooper Han as a "fan's choice" figure or something. Cheap and easy... just the way they like 'em. ;)


Cheif Chirpa for me.

I agree Han could be easy, but since we had him as a mail away, he is floating out there already.

[Rocketboy]

Ben Quadrinaros, Podracer

[Droid]

OK, I'm back. Sorry I missed all of the fighting.

Tycho, thank you for voting my proxy. I will now take it back. You correctly voted Nightlilly, the Ranat, and Hermi Odle for me in the last three votes. This round, I vote for the Jabba's Palace "vintage" Klaatu.

The point is moot now, but I would have listed the generic guard who shot Luke, Sgt. Doallyn, Shasa Tiel, Ak-Rev, and Umpass-Stay as the main figures I want from Jabba's Palace. There are only about eight that I absolutely want.

I have never heard of Cane Adiss, the two headed giraffe creature referenced in one of this weekend's posts. I thought I knew everyone from Jabba's Palace.

JediTricks, there is a specific moment in "Waiting for Guffman" when Christopher Guest shows Dinner with Andre action figures and talks about how much children love them. It's hilarious. I recommend you check it out.
It's a funny movie.

I personally never vote strategically. I believe our original instructions for each round were to vote for the figure we most wanted and I have faithfully done that. There were times when I knew the Ranat would stay on the list because others had voted for him, but I voted for him anyway, letting the Clergyman, Kitster, Wald, or other personal favorites fall off the list. I disagree with voting for the figure you want the least. I think the system works best when people vote for the figure they want most. But people can vote however they want (even if that means a strategic vote, how do we know why people vote the way they do).

EVERYONE BE NICE TO TYCHO. I have no idea how this whole thing works, but HE DOES. I trust in his system, though I don't get it at all. :rolleyes:

[Deoxyribonucleic]

Sgt. Doallyn, Jabba’s Palace for me please.

:Ogre:

[Tycho]

Thanks for your compliments Droid. Welcome back. Hope it was a good trip.

To illustrate why someone would strategically vote, look at your own favorites list:

The Ranat, Klaatu, and Sgt. Doallyn are on your list and pretty low on the rankings.

They could feasibly fall off the list or get their last-chance moment for a write-in.

You could "save" one of your favorite choices even if the others don't totally support them by voting for one of these guys even though "Chief Chirpa" ranks higher on your own priority list, whereby he is "more of your favorite."

However, you'd lose one of the others you want, like Wald and Kitster who fell off our list permanently now.

PlasticFetish just "saved Keolkeech" with a strategic vote though.

Eventually, someone will want a new character more than an old one, or even with write-ins, you can't save all your single-interest characters.

I couldn't save Keolkeech. I had to save Padme Outland Peasant Disguise. Well, if none of you wanted Keolkeech except me, he would have been gone. Plastic made a strategic vote even though I doubt the Ewok is his favorite on the list - it's just a cool choice and he wants Keolkeech in his collection (or more Ewoks in general).

But now since I saved Padme Outland Peasant, she might stay on the list if she either got in high enough to avoid being endangered by new challengers (even if she doesn't continue to get at least my 1 vote), or she may fall off if she gets kicked along with another figure I want more. It's just giving her a second and third chance (sort of) while the list gets prioritized. Remember Luke Tatooine came on for a sec? Most of you would want Padme Outland more than Luke Tatooine. Well what if Luke Tatooine was ranked higher and wouldn't fall off while she would and Beru comes along. You all want Beru, most don't want Luke, but Padme is lost without strategic voting and write-ins, because in the end you could have Beru, but you'd be stuck with Luke instead of Padme.

I don't know how to phrase the instructions "vote for the figure you want the most" differently to be more accurate...maybe "vote for the figure you want to keep on this list?" I don't know. By now, you all know that the bottom of the list is where we thin the herd. So this way you have some chance at protecting your minority interests while a Luke Tatooine cycles through. At the same time, the guy interested in Luke gets his chance, and minority votes count, while the majority vote ultimately decides things.

Anyway, I will post the new poll after:

JediTricks
Slicker
Hellboy
Battledroid

all vote

and maybe

PloKoon
Brandon

will come back to the thread and participate.

By the same token,

Lucifersam's been out of action over here for a while too.

Anyway, I'll wait for most of these guys to vote in the Han Stormtrooper poll until late afternoon, then I'll post the next one since most of you are ready (and in my opinion, it's another boring resculpt poll for another character we already have that still legitimately qualified :rolleyes: )

I'm just itching to get that one over with because we have some much better challengers that'll make more interesting polls coming up later.

I cringe at the thought of those, because there will be some very tough choices ahead.

[Hellboy]

I'll go with R5-D4.

[Tycho]

Well, let's get this one over with. Luke Skywalker Stormtrooper Disguise is our next contestant :rolleyes:

I'm itching to get on to more interesting candidates.

I can adjust our vote ranks when (and if) the 3 other regulars who have not voted choose to catch up. After this one, I'll try and slow down with my impatience.

Meanwhile, REP TEERS and ANN (OR TAN) GELLA fall off our list and have their last chance at being elligible for a write-in.

Queen Jamilla will also join them as having fallen off and being elligible for a write-in if Han Solo Stormtrooper makes it on our list at the last moment.

Now choose the character you want made the most:

Luke Skywalker Stormtrooper Disguise
36) Padme Amidala, Outland Peasant Disguise
37) Ben Quadrinaros, Podracer
38) Keeolkeech, Ewok Warrior
39) M'iiyoom Onith, Nightlily from Mos Eisley Cantina
40) Chief Chirpa, Ewok Leader
41) Klaatu, remake of vintage figure from Jabba's
42) Sgt. Doallyn, Jabba’s Palace
43) R5D4
44) -Clone Trooper in red, out of armor, from mealtime on Kamino
45) Commander Tey How, Niemoidian with sensors in eyes and mouth
46) Saurin, Hrchek Kal Fas, Mos Eisley Cantina
47) Biggs Darklighter, Academy Uniform, ANH Lost Scenes
48) Padme Black Leather Temptation
49) Ranat, Reegesk, from Mos Eisley Cantina
50) Queen Jamilla

I'll write back in Rep Teers, sacraficing Ann (or Tan) Gella unless someone supports them. Like I said, it's really hard now because my vote puts Jamilla on the chopping block and I'd want her made as a priority too.

Actually, in the interest of saving time and not boring anybody with these polls, do any of the next 3 elligible contestants merit a poll?

Red Leader (resculpt a nice Garven Dreis)
Rebel Flight Technician (Yavin Base)
Green R2 Astromech (white/green horizontal stripes)

You get to do 2 things: respond to the list of the 3 above "yes or no" to each, and vote in the regular poll in red

Then we can get out of the mid-thirties in our ranks and move up the poll to characters a majority of you will be interested in.

As for me, I'd personally like the Red Leader figure and the Green Astromech. Over the ones on our list? More than R5D4, but that's probably it. An X-wing pilot (again) and a R2 repaint? Not strong stuff - but they do merit a vote if 5 or more of us support seeing it.

[plasticfetish]

Oooh, I'd vote to save Jamilla, but I know there's gonna be others that I want more, so Saurin, Hrchek Kal Fas for me -- and yeah sure, I could see all three of those figures being added to the list. There's 5 maybe 6 on there right now that I wouldn't mind losing. I think we should probably just give up on Garven Dreis though, so... Rebel Flight Tech = yes and Green R2 = yes.

[Hellboy]

My vote will go to R5-D4 again this round.

As far as the other 3 contender choices go:
-Red Leader =yes, but only if he has a removable helmet and isn't borrowing Luke's body again. :p
-Rebel Flight Technician =yes
-Green R2 Astromech =no, only because I'd like to see many of the others on our list before a generic Astromech droid.

[Kidhuman]

Queen Jamilla

Red Leader=Sure why not
Flight Tech = yes, only because he had been rumored w/ the acc. sets.
Droid= ok

[Rocketboy]

I'd like a basic no frills R5D4

[JediTricks]

Um... I'm TOTALLY lost. First off, my R2 saber launching which got several other votes is nowhere to be seen now, there's NO way he could have fallen off the list that quickly that I can figure out. And how did Padme "temptation" get back up on the list and so high? I'm serious, I want to know what has happened here.

I guess I'll just start from my last post and work from there...

Han Solo Stormtrooper Disguise
36) Sgt. Doallyn, Jabba’s Palace
37) Commander Tey How, Niemoidian with sensors in eyes and mouth
38) -Clone Trooper in red, out of armor, from mealtime on Kamino
39) Saurin, Hrchek Kal Fas, Mos Eisley Cantina
40) Klaatu, remake of vintage figure from Jabba's
41) M'iiyoom Onith, Nightlily from Mos Eisley Cantina
42) Biggs Darklighter, Academy Uniform, ANH Lost Scenes
43) Ben Quadrinaros, Podracer
44) Padme Black Leather Temptation
45) Ranat, Reegesk, from Mos Eisley Cantina
46) R5D4
47) Queen Jamilla
48) Ann (or Tan) Gella, Sebulba’s Twi’lek Masseuse
49) Chief Chirpa, Ewok Leader
50) Rep Teers Where my R2? I'd like to see R5-D4, Han Stormtrooper (only if it's done RIGHT though), Tey How, Clone Trooper no armor, and maybe Rep Teers from that list. My top choice would be... R5-D4... I think.


I don't know how to phrase the instructions "vote for the figure you want the most" differently to be more accurate...maybe "vote for the figure you want to keep on this list?" I don't know.It seems like the problem is that your reasoning is flawed, you DON'T seem to want this thread to be about the figures we want most, you seem to want it to be about a list that suits just 1 person. But this is about what all of us as a collective want, not as individuals. What is wrong with a figure falling off the bottom? If that's the way the vote goes, then so be it, right? Apparently not though, look at Padme "temptation", she fell off the list and is now somehow halfway back up it. This is why I don't like "strategic" voting, it doesn't express what the group wants. When you say "By now, you all know that the bottom of the list is where we thin the herd.", I want you to explain to me how that can be when you relist Padme temptation and now "Keeolkeech, Ewok Warrior" so far from the bottom. Keeolkeech had ONE vote, and it was a write-in at that, but on the next list he's shot from below 50 to #38.

Luke Skywalker Stormtrooper Disguise
36) Padme Amidala, Outland Peasant Disguise
37) Ben Quadrinaros, Podracer
38) Keeolkeech, Ewok Warrior
39) M'iiyoom Onith, Nightlily from Mos Eisley Cantina
40) Chief Chirpa, Ewok Leader
41) Klaatu, remake of vintage figure from Jabba's
42) Sgt. Doallyn, Jabba’s Palace
43) R5D4
44) -Clone Trooper in red, out of armor, from mealtime on Kamino
45) Commander Tey How, Niemoidian with sensors in eyes and mouth
46) Saurin, Hrchek Kal Fas, Mos Eisley Cantina
47) Biggs Darklighter, Academy Uniform, ANH Lost Scenes
48) Padme Black Leather Temptation
49) Ranat, Reegesk, from Mos Eisley Cantina
50) Queen Jamilla R5-D4 again.


Red Leader (resculpt a nice Garven Dreis) ----- Yes (barely)
Rebel Flight Technician (Yavin Base) ------ YES
Green R2 Astromech (white/green horizontal stripes) ------ no


This thread is claiming to represent a cross-section of collectors to Hasbro, I'd like it to be honest and accurate, but I don't feel strategic voting is - by its very nature - honestly reflecting what that person wants to see above all else in the list. I want to ensure everybody fairly gets an equal voice here, each of us is representing collectors everywhere.

[Kidhuman]

Hasbro already has a top 50 from us, I think that was good enough. To me the list keeps going in circles. This whole add a character on and one falls off and then gets voted back in stuff is lunacy. The list changes every four days, but it is the same figs over and over again. I am with JT and wonder how in the heck Padme got moved up so high.

Want a good true list??....give us all 211 names and have us rank them in order from 15-50. Then we can all vote on tie breakers or have a cut like golf. Any figure under three total votes gets axed. Or give each position a point ranking, add the points each figure gets and list from there.

[dindae]

M'iiyoom Onith for me again.

While I understand what Tycho is doing it could take forever for us to accomplish a stable list on which everyone agrees is finished. Also as new people come to the thread it could totally throw any stability in rank out the window. I think Kidhuman's idea of ranking our top fifty of the 211 and then averaging out the placement would be the simplest and most fair way. Plus any new voters could simply be added to the average. Granted we would end the thread pretty quickly which I have enjoy but all good things must end.

[plasticfetish]

Hey! Let's vote E.T. back on to the list! (Just kidding.)

Um... I'm TOTALLY lost. First off, my R2 saber launching which got several other votes is nowhere to be seen now...Yeah, I'll admit that I don't completely understand the whole thing. I'm not seeing it all on paper (or whatever) though, so I'll assume that some are moving up and some are moving off the list as the votes come in.

I was kind of wondering where Treva Horme wandered off to.

[Tycho]

R2D2 Lightsaber is indeed doing well and on the list at #31.

Treva Horme is also on the list at #34.

I will explain the how the votes register again.... :rolleyes:

Deoxy,
Droid,
B'Omarr

and are more "semi" regulars, please ignore this post and look for your voting instructions in my previous post.


The following was an actual previous poll:

Han Solo Stormtrooper Disguise
36) Sgt. Doallyn, Jabba’s Palace
37) Commander Tey How, Niemoidian with sensors in eyes and mouth
38) -Clone Trooper in red, out of armor, from mealtime on Kamino
39) Saurin, Hrchek Kal Fas, Mos Eisley Cantina
40) Klaatu, remake of vintage figure from Jabba's
41) M'iiyoom Onith, Nightlily from Mos Eisley Cantina
42) Biggs Darklighter, Academy Uniform, ANH Lost Scenes
43) Ben Quadrinaros, Podracer
44) Padme Black Leather Temptation
45) Ranat, Reegesk, from Mos Eisley Cantina
46) R5D4
47) Queen Jamilla
48) Ann (or Tan) Gella, Sebulba’s Twi’lek Masseuse
49) Chief Chirpa, Ewok Leader
50) Rep Teers


A) if Han Stormtrooper comes on, the bottom figure (at this moment in the example, Rep Teers) must come off to make room because we can only have 50 figures. Understood? That should be simple to grasp.

B) in the list above, the character "Han Solo Yavin Ceremony" was (and still is) #35. But Han Stormtrooper (our current contender) got less votes that Han Yavin, but never competed against Doallyn, Tey How, etc.

i) if Han Stormtrooper comes on, it'll have to be UNDER Han Yavin. Get why? Should be simple. Stormy already lost to Yavin, right?

ii) So if Han comes on, he'll go right underneath Yavin Han (possibly).

iii) Is this fair to Ben Quadrinaros? Well we don't know - YET.

Let's see how voting works.

VOTE 1: I voted to write back in Padme Outland Peasant Disguise, who'd just dropped off the list.

Since Han Stormy would normally go right to #36, a write-in does too. The write-in is on its last chance at being saved, and it hasn't necessarily competed with every character on the list.

So with Padme written in:


36) Padme Outland Peasant Disguise
37) Sgt. Doallyn, Jabba’s Palace
38) Commander Tey How, Niemoidian with sensors in eyes and mouth
39) -Clone Trooper in red, out of armor, from mealtime on Kamino
40) Saurin, Hrchek Kal Fas, Mos Eisley Cantina
41) Klaatu, remake of vintage figure from Jabba's
42) M'iiyoom Onith, Nightlily from Mos Eisley Cantina
43) Biggs Darklighter, Academy Uniform, ANH Lost Scenes
44) Ben Quadrinaros, Podracer
45) Padme Black Leather Temptation
46) Ranat, Reegesk, from Mos Eisley Cantina
47) R5D4
48) Queen Jamilla
49) Ann (or Tan) Gella, Sebulba’s Twi’lek Masseuse
50) Chief Chirpa, Ewok Leader
FALLING OFF THE LIST: Rep Teers

VOTE 2:

B'omarr Monkey votes for Ben Quadrinaros

I move him up right under Padme for the time, because he was demanded more than any of the others B'Omarr could have voted for.

The new list looks like:

36) Padme Outland Peasant Disguise
37) Ben Quadrinaros, Podracer
38) Sgt. Doallyn, Jabba’s Palace
39) Commander Tey How, Niemoidian with sensors in eyes and mouth
40) -Clone Trooper in red, out of armor, from mealtime on Kamino
41) Saurin, Hrchek Kal Fas, Mos Eisley Cantina
42) Klaatu, remake of vintage figure from Jabba's
43) M'iiyoom Onith, Nightlily from Mos Eisley Cantina
44) Biggs Darklighter, Academy Uniform, ANH Lost Scenes
45) Padme Black Leather Temptation
46) Ranat, Reegesk, from Mos Eisley Cantina
47) R5D4
48) Queen Jamilla
49) Ann (or Tan) Gella, Sebulba’s Twi’lek Masseuse
50) Chief Chirpa, Ewok Leader
FALLING OFF THE LIST: Rep Teers

VOTE 3

I need to use some examples, not recap all night...

So let's say Ben Quadrinaros gets another vote.

36) Ben Quadrinaros, Podracer
37) Padme Outland Peasant Disguise
38) Sgt. Doallyn, Jabba’s Palace
39) Commander Tey How, Niemoidian with sensors in eyes and mouth
40) -Clone Trooper in red, out of armor, from mealtime on Kamino
41) Saurin, Hrchek Kal Fas, Mos Eisley Cantina
42) Klaatu, remake of vintage figure from Jabba's
43) M'iiyoom Onith, Nightlily from Mos Eisley Cantina
44) Biggs Darklighter, Academy Uniform, ANH Lost Scenes
45) Padme Black Leather Temptation
46) Ranat, Reegesk, from Mos Eisley Cantina
47) R5D4
48) Queen Jamilla
49) Ann (or Tan) Gella, Sebulba’s Twi’lek Masseuse
50) Chief Chirpa, Ewok Leader
FALLING OFF THE LIST: Rep Teers


See what happened? Quadrinaros moved above Padme. Or Padme already moved down. Whichever way you look at it.

Vote 4:

Let's say that Han Stormtrooper does get a vote. Well, he's not the first in the "new line" anymore, so he's not going to get ahead of Padme or Ben Quadrinaros anymore. (he'll have his chance to do so later, as we move back up the list and vote for all the characters from 50 up to "29" or something - wherever the next challenger's last opponent lies waiting).

Well, as we add Han Trooper, here's what happens:

36) Ben Quadrinaros, Podracer
37) Padme Outland Peasant Disguise
38) Han Solo Stormtrooper
39) Sgt. Doallyn, Jabba’s Palace
40) Commander Tey How, Niemoidian with sensors in eyes and mouth
41) -Clone Trooper in red, out of armor, from mealtime on Kamino
42) Saurin, Hrchek Kal Fas, Mos Eisley Cantina
43) Klaatu, remake of vintage figure from Jabba's
44) M'iiyoom Onith, Nightlily from Mos Eisley Cantina
45) Biggs Darklighter, Academy Uniform, ANH Lost Scenes
46) Padme Black Leather Temptation
47) Ranat, Reegesk, from Mos Eisley Cantina
48) R5D4
49) Queen Jamilla
50) Ann (or Tan) Gella, Sebulba’s Twi’lek Masseuse
FALLING OFF THE LIST: Chief Chirpa, Ewok Leader
FALLING OFF THE LIST: Rep Teers

New Round, Vote 1:

Let's say we're now voting on Luke Trooper - who tied with Han Trooper anyway. So Luke doesn't have to come on UNDER Han Trooper, - his last contestant he didn't beat was Han YAVIN. So Luke could come in at #36 even though Han Trooper's 38.

Chief Chirpa and Rep Teers just fell off by the last poll, so they are eligible for write-in, because (let's pretend) everyone wants them more than Queen Jamilla.

well here's what it looks like before the voting.

36) Ben Quadrinaros, Podracer
37) Padme Outland Peasant Disguise
38) Han Solo Stormtrooper
39) Sgt. Doallyn, Jabba’s Palace
40) Commander Tey How, Niemoidian with sensors in eyes and mouth
41) -Clone Trooper in red, out of armor, from mealtime on Kamino
42) Saurin, Hrchek Kal Fas, Mos Eisley Cantina
43) Klaatu, remake of vintage figure from Jabba's
44) M'iiyoom Onith, Nightlily from Mos Eisley Cantina
45) Biggs Darklighter, Academy Uniform, ANH Lost Scenes
46) Padme Black Leather Temptation
47) Ranat, Reegesk, from Mos Eisley Cantina
48) R5D4
49) Queen Jamilla
50) Ann (or Tan) Gella, Sebulba’s Twi’lek Masseuse


Now after the voting:

Pretend I am the ONLY person interested in writing in one of the losers. I only get one vote, so I better decide who I want more: Chirpa or Rep Teers.

Say I choose Rep Teers.

If no one writes in Chirpa by the time this poll is over, he's gone.

Well I do write in Rep Teers...

36) Rep Teers
37) Ben Quadrinaros, Podracer
38) Padme Outland Peasant Disguise
39) Han Solo Stormtrooper
40) Sgt. Doallyn, Jabba’s Palace
41) Commander Tey How, Niemoidian with sensors in eyes and mouth
42) -Clone Trooper in red, out of armor, from mealtime on Kamino
43) Saurin, Hrchek Kal Fas, Mos Eisley Cantina
44) Klaatu, remake of vintage figure from Jabba's
45) M'iiyoom Onith, Nightlily from Mos Eisley Cantina
46) Biggs Darklighter, Academy Uniform, ANH Lost Scenes
47) Padme Black Leather Temptation
48) Ranat, Reegesk, from Mos Eisley Cantina
49) R5D4
50) Queen Jamilla
FALLING OFF THE LIST Ann (or Tan) Gella, Sebulba’s Twi’lek Masseuse

Note that Padme Outland Peasant (my previous write-in, is already falling)

Now a lot of different possibilities can happen:

1) No one can want Luke Trooper, and only Ann Gella falls off
2) Someone DOES want Luke Trooper and Ann Gella and Queen Jamilla fall off.
3) Queen Jamilla gets a vote and instead it's R5D4 that's falling off
4) No one writes-in the fall-offs because the ones that made it onto the list are in more demand.

There are a lot of possibilities, but eventually Padme Outland Peasant Disguise may wind up at the bottom again - with 2 falling off (or 3 are even possible) and there is a more important figure I want to vote for or write back in (such as I'd choose Tey How over Padme Outland, and I may be forced to). But suppose I really wanted Luke Trooper and no one else was putting him on the list - my vote could do that and he'd get his chance to compete with Quadrinaros or whoever I thought was unworthy, and I'd still get a last chance to write back Tey How or whoever. Eventually, I couldn't write back in everything I wanted, but my choice that fell off had its chance against everyone and was ranked and dumped (or just ranked if they manage to stay on).

That's how this works.

I use a Word-Doc list of all the figures and adjust it when you vote. Easy scorekeeping and highly accurate.

Like I said, R2 Lightsaber and Treva Horme are still on the list - just secure at a point higher up than before when they were in danger themselves of falling off the list. Treva anyway. I think Plastic Fetish saved him by voting him up higher than Han Solo Yavin Ceremony. So the system worked for him.

If Treva belongs up there we'll find out. He could plummet as people vote on a larger list (up to Count Dooku) when we check out where Beru Whitesun's proper rank is. Or Treva could pass everyone up to Dooku. Anything can happen.

This method really is fair to everyone and offers characters decent chances rather than just falling off the list.

Watch what happens when you do it that way:

36) Ben Quadrinaros, Podracer
37) Padme Outland Peasant Disguise
38) Han Solo Stormtrooper
39) Sgt. Doallyn, Jabba’s Palace
40) Commander Tey How, Niemoidian with sensors in eyes and mouth
41) -Clone Trooper in red, out of armor, from mealtime on Kamino
42) Saurin, Hrchek Kal Fas, Mos Eisley Cantina
43) Klaatu, remake of vintage figure from Jabba's
44) M'iiyoom Onith, Nightlily from Mos Eisley Cantina
45) Biggs Darklighter, Academy Uniform, ANH Lost Scenes
46) Padme Black Leather Temptation
47) Ranat, Reegesk, from Mos Eisley Cantina
48) R5D4
49) Queen Jamilla
50) Ann (or Tan) Gella, Sebulba’s Twi’lek Masseuse

Adding Aunt Beru to this group causes the Twi'lek girls to drop. But what if everyone here thinks that Han Trooper is less worthy than the Twi'lek girls but since one person voted for Han Trooper, he stays on and the girls drop off.

With my method, you can:

1) add Beru
2) keep the Twi'leks
3) drop Han
4) if only one Han fan wants him, that fan will eventually have to choose between Han and someone else at the bottom of the list - thereby still having a meaningful vote, but one reflecting its minimal importance relative to the majority's. But they still get 1 out of 2 or 3 figures in a write-in. That's pretty fair.

If you still don't understand how this works, please let me know. :D

Try re-reading this post first though. I like working with all of you on this list and want to make sure I'm doing the best job possible.

By the way, after explaining all this, I can see by even my examples here that this method REALLY works and is thorough, so it will be the method we will continue to use (and have been using since I first started adjusting the list with yoru cantina aliens votes)

There are only a possible 20 more votes left to take.

The next 3 (if Red Leader, Rebel Flight Tech, and the Green Astromech make it) will all start right under Han Yavin at #36 - so of course it will be the same group of characters.

After that, we'll be up to #30 trying to rank or place Tonbuck Toora -who must qualify in order for Beru Whitesun to compete, because in the original poll, Tonbuck got more votes than Beru. If Tonbuck comes in at #32, Beru can only compete for #33 and down.

This is different than from Red Leader who tied with Han Trooper and the Green R2 and the rest, so they don't need to start under each other, because 1 just has to go first before another one - all under Han Yavin Ceremony, and the order really doesn't mean anything until they are placed and freely competing after being established on the list.

But within the course of taking the next 20 votes, we'll see as large of group of characters on our list as from # 3 -50, when the competitors under Padme Purple Return to Naboo Gown compete! So everything will get prioritized.

OK?

[plasticfetish]

OK?Yeah, sure. I probably understand it better than I need to now. ;)

Seriously though, this seems like a good way to get us to rank and prioritize our wants on a figure by figure basis. To me, the strategic voting is just as much about moving a figure up the list, as it is about trying to get others down and off. At some point it's gonna have to lock and there will be plenty of choices that don't make the list. We can't just end up voting the same five figures back on for an eternity. (Well... we could, but we won't.)

[Droid]

First, I'll vote Vintage Klaatu.

Second, when evaluating what figures he would like, KH wrote "Droid = ok". I wouldn't mind seeing a figure of myself. :D

Rebel Flight tenchician and Green R2 no. I wouldn't mind seeing Red Leader on the list of choices. However, I will probably not vote for him in his poll. Since I am voting for the one I want the most rather than strategically, I will probably just keep voting for the Nightlilly, Ranat, and Klaatu over and over and over and over again, so my participation has almost become useless given that I am voting for who I want the most rather than strategically, while most everyone else votes strategically.

I will not vote for Tonbuck Tora in an attempt to get Aunt Beru higher up the list. I say again that regardless of how she did in the round where she lost badly to Cliegg and Owen she would trounce Tonbuck. I think Tonbuck only got votes because the people could not decide between Cliegg-Owen-Beru. Tycho, you have a straight vote between Beru and Tonbuck and watch Beru win by a landslide. I think Beru should be able to place anywhere below Owen. However, as always, I do not care. I am happy to play Tycho's game.

[Droid]

OK, I'm afraid I HAVE to jump in on this. I have tried to ignore all of the arguing about how this is being run and just enjoy the game, but I noticed by looking back that the Ranat was #50 when we gave the list to Hasbro. At one time he climbed as high as #36 (which makes no sense given that we only took Sly Moore, the Wookie Senator, Dannik, Myo, and the Gotal off the list and put the Tonnikas back on). Why didn't we just move up everyone on the list four spaces and fill in the four spaces that had opened up at the bottom? I personally enjoy perfecting the rankings (on the idea, for instance, that Beru was hurt by being in the same poll as Owen and Cliegg), but Ranat looks like he may fall off the list. It doesn't seem like anyone who was on the list given to Hasbro should FALL OFF once Hasbro makes some of the figures on the top fifty.

Tycho, PLEASE do not feel that you once again need to explain in great detail your system. I have faith that the system you have in place perfectly does what you want it to do. But do you think it is odd that characters on our Top Fity list given to Hasbro can fall off of the list even after Hasbro takes some of the characters off of the list for us by making the figures?

Also, I do not want to vote strategically, but I may have to in order to save the Ranat. If you ask me "who do you want more, Nightlilly or the Ranat" I will answer Nightlilly. But if the only way to keep Ranat on the list is to vote for him I must just have to start doing that. Ranat has earned a place on the list and has climbed as high as 36. He was on our list given to Hasbro. How on Earth can he fall off the list?

[Kidhuman]

Ranat has earned a place on the list and has climbed as high as 36. He was on our list given to Hasbro. How on Earth can he fall off the list?


How can anyone fall off the list technically?

[dindae]

How can anyone fall off the list technically?

According to the rules if no one votes to save the figure in the vote right after they fall off then they are gone forever.

[Deoxyribonucleic]

I'm going for Sgt. Doallyn, he's getting to far down the list and I really want a figure of him, but I also wouldn't mind seeing a new luke or han in stormtrooper disguise, what with the new sculpting hasbro's been up to. But since those are core characters and would likely be done again anyway, I'm going to for sure vote for Sgt. Doallyn.



as for these guys...

Red Leader (resculpt a nice Garven Dreis) = yes
Rebel Flight Technician (Yavin Base) = a definite yes
Green R2 Astromech (white/green horizontal stripes) = yes

[Kidhuman]

According to the rules if no one votes to save the figure in the vote right after they fall off then they are gone forever.

So, can I still write in for a Beru and Owen crispy pack?

[dindae]

So, can I still write in for a Beru and Owen crispy pack?

Since they haven't been on the list I would say no at least until Tycho offers them as a choice.

[Tycho]

1 billion things again.

Droid, you're keeping the Ranat, Nightlilly, and Klaatu on the list by strategically voting for them if they are going to fall off. (except this time the Ranat did fall off and I'm planning to write him in and save him myself :D )

Next, if Hasbro has 1 list from us, what would be the problem if they made ANY figures on that list ahead of any others? There are 211 total possibilities that are 98% not resculpts. So I guess anything is good though a Hat Lo figure wouldn't be something to turn carwheels over, judging by the votes here. (and why would they choose him? He didn't make our list or really make himself visible in AOTC). In any case, if any of our characters DROP from the list, it proves that characters like Ann (or Tan) Gella who have now dropped off our list for the last time, can be written in high (like some of the cantina characters that bumped up from Hasbro taking off ones like the Gotal - by making him) and still fall. As we climb the list, there will be more to choose from.

Right now, Red Leader and the Rebel Flight Tech have enough votes to compete, so we'll be dealing with the same 36 we have been for those 2 votes. Just be patient. Keep voting for Klaatu or whatever, and I'll save Reegesk with my vote - but watch the bottom of the list so that the next character (Jamilla I think) isn't one you'd want that'd fall off.

I'll vote for Tonbuck (if I can) so that Beru gets her chance "legally." OK?

Tonbuck can come on and fall off depending upon her support - just how Luke Tatooine came on and is now gone.

Kidhuman asked how can any "fall off?" We're making a Top 50. It wouldn't be fun if there weren't tough choices.

Wald can still be made. Hasbro can decide to because they want to. This list we're making won't be their production schedule. It is advisory-only. They know about it, and quite frankly, they want to see wider participation than 9-20 collectors. It'd just get crazy if we don't finallize a list and then submit that to 1000 collectors to vote on off the main site in a poll with answers:

1) this list EXACTLY represents me
2) this list is 90% close to the Top 50 that I want
3) this list is over 70% close to the Top 50 that I want
4) this list is barely over half of the Top 50 that I want
5) this list is less than half the Top 50 I want.
6) this list is not even close to the Top 50 I want.

But let's finish refining the list first, shall we?

The system is working, and I'm done explaining it. Thank you all for being patient with this...

By the way, voted permanently off our Top 50 list are:

Wald*
Luke Tatooine*
Ann (or Tan) Gella*
Kitster*
E.T.*
Naboo Clergyman who marries Anakin and Padme*
Dooku's Pilot Droid

*Not on the list given to Hasbro in the first place, but qualified to come back on the list as Hasbro removed figures like the Gotal, by making him.

So Hasbro may give Dooku's Pilot Droid a better chance than we will.

Added to our list since Hasbro got it are:

Han Solo Yavin Ceremony
Queen Jamilla
R2D2 Lightsaber Launcher
Sgt. Doallyn, Jabba's Palace
Keeolkeech, Ewok Warrior
Biggs Darklighter, Academy Uniform
Padme Black Leather Temptation

These characters may or may not stay on our list. Reegesk (on Hasbro's copy of the list) is in danger right now. Han Ceremony might not even belong there since many of us may feel he's not too much different than Cantina Han with one of Dodonna's medals around his neck. Our system will tell us if fixing Han's shirt collar is more important than a whole new figure in a Ranat. You decide :D

Now I'll get to putting up our next poll. Stand bye. Red Leader is qualified.

"Lock s-foils in attack position. This is it!"

[Tycho]

Red Leader is our new challenger for the day. This is a resculpt of that lousy figure that wasn't ever a sculpt (except as Luke which they kit-bashed).

Garven Dreis would be more "filled out" as a grown man next to Luke (still a boy) and he'd have a removeable (more detailed) helmet and a blaster.

Reegesk the Ranat is falling off our list and elligible for a write-in.

Vote for your the character you want made the most from:

Red Leader, Garven Dreis
36) R5D4
37) Rep Teers
38) Saurin, Hrchek Kal Fas, Mos Eisley Cantina
39) Queen Jamilla
40) M'iiyoom Onith, Nightlily from Mos Eisley Cantina
41) Klaatu, remake of vintage figure from Jabba's
42) Sgt. Doallyn, Jabba’s Palace
43) Padme Amidala, Outland Peasant Disguise
44) Ben Quadrinaros, Podracer
45) Keeolkeech, Ewok Warrior
46) Chief Chirpa, Ewok Leader
47) -Clone Trooper in red, out of armor, from mealtime on Kamino
48) Commander Tey How, Niemoidian with sensors in eyes and mouth
49) Biggs Darklighter, Academy Uniform, ANH Lost Scenes
50) Padme Black Leather Temptation

I'll write back in Reegesk, the Ranat, Mos Eisley Cantina

[Kidhuman]

Tey How. :beard:

[Droid]

Because Tycho voted for the Ranat and has assured me that he is not off the list, I will continue to vote for the figure I want the MOST of those offered, Klaatu, remake of vintage figure from Jabba's.

Tycho, if it isn't too much trouble, could you post the current incarnation of the Top 50 once this latest poll is finished? I don't really know what the rankings are anymore, except for those at the bottom.

[Battle Droid]

Tey How. :D

[Deoxyribonucleic]

I'll vote for Biggs since he's also getting low on the list and I'd rather have him than red leader.

[Tycho]

Tycho, if it isn't too much trouble, could you post the current incarnation of the Top 50 once this latest poll is finished? I don't really know what the rankings are anymore, except for those at the bottom.

I'll post them for you now, so newbies like BattleDroid can see our whole list.

This is up-to-date since only Deoxy's vote for Biggs Darklighter.

Note there are 51 because Padme Black Leather isn't "for sure" off the list yet as not all votes are in.

xYarna Dal Gargon
x-Padme Handmaiden
-Queen Amidala Purple Return to Naboo
xCliegg Lars
xBlack Bespin Security Guard
x-R2D2 Shield Bunker exploded, Endor
xMother Ewok with baby Wokling
xJocasta Nu, Jedi Librarian
xWioslea, buys Luke Skywalker’s landspeeder
xArcona, Hem Dazon, Mos Eisley Cantina
-Padme, Senator, from Palpatine's Office
xMoff Jerjerrod, Death Star II Commander, Endor
xGeneral Tagge, Death Star Conference Table
x-Jango Fett out of armor, Kamino Apartment
x-Lando Calrissian Smugglers Gear, end of ESB
Slim Aloo, Imperial Dignitary
xTonnika Sister, Mos Eisley Cantina
-Luke Skywalker Endor Gear
xGivin, Elris Helrot, Mos Eisley Cantina
xGragga Chubba Vendor, catches JarJar in Mos Espa
xGeneral Veers, Imperial Officer w. removeable Hoth Armor
-Han Solo screaming in Bespin Torture Chair
xAdvoze, Bom Vimdim, Mos Eisley Cantina
xSora Bulq, Weequay Jedi, Arena Battle
x-Padme in yellow from the Waterfalls
xCZ-3 from Mos Eisley Spaceport
xYoung Owen Lars
x-Padme in her Nightgown, Kohoun Attack
-Count Dooku / Darth Tyranus Softgoods
xColonel Wulf Yularen, Imperial Conference Table
xR2-D2 Lightsaber Launcher resculpt
xHerme Odel, Jabba the Hutt’s Palace
xCaptain Daultay Dofine, Niemodian
xTreva Horme, tall Cloud City alien
Han Solo, Yavin Ceremony
xCommander Tey How, Niemoidian with sensors in eyes and mouth (x2)
XReegesk, Ranat, Mos Eisley Cantina
xKlaatu, remake of vintage figure from Jabba's
xBiggs Darklighter, Academy Uniform, ANH Lost Scenes
xR5D4
XRep Teers
xSaurin, Hrchek Kal Fas, Mos Eisley Cantina
xQueen Jamilla
xM'iiyoom Onith, Nightlily from Mos Eisley Cantina
xSgt. Doallyn, Jabba’s Palace
xPadme Amidala, Outland Peasant Disguise
xBen Quadrinaros, Podracer
xKeeolkeech, Ewok Warrior
xChief Chirpa, Ewok Leader
x-Clone Trooper in red, out of armor, from mealtime on Kamino
xPadme Black Leather Temptation


An "x" in front of the character's name means that no one from their original group is coming on after them. "NO x" means that a contender will challenge at this level. For example, see Count Dooku softgoods? He was in the list with Cliegg, Owen, and Beru. They all got more votes than Tonbuck Toora, who got more votes than Beru.

Tonbuck will come on the list and challenge everyone under Dooku.

If Tonbuck places, Beru will come on the list and challenge everyone on the list under Tonbuck (as high up possibly, as being right under Tonbuck and right under Dooku).

Do people want Beru more than Dooku?

We find out when (See Han Bespin Torture?) - Luke Recovery Room will come in there and challenge everyone under Han. When that happens, Beru could get more votes than Tonbuck AND Count Dooku, and rise above them. That way you can't say that Dooku only got more votes from Beru because Cliegg and Owen were on the list taking away votes Beru might've had over Dooku. Now's her chance to prove that. Meanwhile, Dooku or Tonbuck, or M'iiyoom Onth could fall off the list as they rise or fall depending upon how people vote.


Green equals our current vote as of Deoxy's vote for Biggs. The next person who votes gets someone on AFTER Biggs - like a vote for Padme Black Leather would place her there in the shuffle. However, if Biggs gets 2 votes, he'll move up right under Tey How (who has 2 votes currently). If Biggs gets 3 votes, he'll move ABOVE Tey How. That's how the list is getting prioritized.

Red equals the bottom of the vote-getters in a poll B'Omarr hasn't voted in yet. That way if he votes in the last and current poll, I'll know where to move his choices. I do that with different colors, but guys: please keep current with the poll so I don't run out of colors!

I switch them all back to black when everyone's current and I start a new poll.

Go back to the last page and vote in my Red Leader, Garven Dreis poll if you haven't already:

Hellboy
PlasticFetish
Rocketboy
Slicker (2 votes behind)
JediTricks
Dindae
B'Omarr (1 vote behind)

Brandon and PloKoon are lost out there and should just come in and vote on the current poll as I'm not going back more than 2 votes for either of them.

LuciferSam - same thing.

See how thorough and scientific I'm being? This will be a VERY fair poll.

I'm as curious as you to see how it will all turn out. 20 votes to go! Then some synopsis:

how many TPM, AOTC, ANH, ESB, ROTJ figures each will be on our final list?
how many cantina or Jabba ones?
how many resculpts?
how many main-characters?
who was dumped?
who ended up being added?

It'll be interesting.

Then we do a main-page site poll that JediTricks could help us with:

How much does the list represent your Top 50?

100%
90
70
50
less than 50
not at all

etc.

Then we certify the results and send it off with a petition to Hasbro. They're expecting it. Then we wait to see the toys from 2006 (SIX) and cross stuff off our list and then start over again. 2005 is for Revenge of the Sith toys.

Reminder: our list is advisory only, and main characters sell the line - but we have some and are showing we'd prefer Luke Endor (high on the list above) over Luke Tatooine Resculpt, etc.

Anyway, get back to the Red Leader Poll. Up soon will be from ANH Rebel Flight Tech, then AOTC Tonbuck Toora, Beru Whitesun, Palpatine Red Chancellor Robes, ESB Luke Recovery Room, and Torynn Far! Plus more from ROTJ, AOTC, and TPM to finish it all off.

I hope you are all still enjoying this thread. We'll get above #36 after the Rebel Flight Tech poll...

[Droid]

If you are curious Tycho, the Top 50 list has 28 of my Top 50 on it, so I would only vote for 50%, which is worse than it sounds. I would be happy for Hasbro to make half of my most wanted figures. Our list has more prequel figures than I want (and a lot more Padmes than I want). However, I would likely buy every figure on the list except for Han in the torture chair, Dooku soft goods, and Han medal ceremony, which I guess I MIGHT buy if the figures were outstanding. I would only buy Luke Endor if the helmet came off and would consider buying Biggs from the cut scenes as I might put his head on an X-wing pilot to make a Biggs with his helmet off figure.

I might buy alot of figures, but there are only 63 that I really want before they quit. I am fully prepared for the fact that Hasbro will not make all 63.

But if Hasbro made this Top 50 I would be thrilled.

I know, I know, my analysis is premature as we're not done ranking yet. :)

[Rocketboy]

R5-D4

(these are words to fill space)

[Hellboy]

Vote for your the character you want made the most from:

Red Leader, Garven Dreis
36) R5D4
37) Rep Teers
38) Saurin, Hrchek Kal Fas, Mos Eisley Cantina
39) Queen Jamilla
40) M'iiyoom Onith, Nightlily from Mos Eisley Cantina
41) Klaatu, remake of vintage figure from Jabba's
42) Sgt. Doallyn, Jabba’s Palace
43) Padme Amidala, Outland Peasant Disguise
44) Ben Quadrinaros, Podracer
45) Keeolkeech, Ewok Warrior
46) Chief Chirpa, Ewok Leader
47) -Clone Trooper in red, out of armor, from mealtime on Kamino
48) Commander Tey How, Niemoidian with sensors in eyes and mouth
49) Biggs Darklighter, Academy Uniform, ANH Lost Scenes
50) Padme Black Leather Temptation

Thanks to a few others helping out Tey How and R5-D4 with some votes I can give mine to the Clone Trooper in red, out of armor this round since he seems to be sliding to the bottom of the pile again.

[JediTricks]

Tycho, thank you for explaing where R2 saber launching went, next time please say so when that vote is over so we don't end up with this sort of thing. ;)

However, I strongly believe figures knocked off the bottom should not get to go back to the top, that's plain and obvious because that figure already lost to 14 others, just because it hasn't gone up against 1 new guy doesn't mean it should get placed above the 14 that already beat it. I guess your plan overall though isn't just to have it go against 1 new guy but 14 new guys, but that's cheating IMO because it discredits the actual group's votes in favor of a lone voter's strategic vote. Slot #37 is earned by the culmination of the whole group's voting, yet the strategically-saved write-in vote only needs 1 person to make it higher up the list and thus more important than the figures beneath without actually earning its new slot at the top.

Oh, and I think if there are ties, in the next round just cut the top slot off to make room for the tie, same thing with "saved" figures, cut off the top slot not the bottom, you're already cutting off the top slot with newly-added figures.

By the way, after explaining all this, I can see by even my examples here that this method REALLY works and is thorough, so it will be the method we will continue to use Oh, well if you say so yourself, then it MUST be true and I shouldn't bother to form my own opinion. :p



Red Leader, Garven Dreis
36) R5D4
37) Rep Teers
38) Saurin, Hrchek Kal Fas, Mos Eisley Cantina
39) Queen Jamilla
40) M'iiyoom Onith, Nightlily from Mos Eisley Cantina
41) Klaatu, remake of vintage figure from Jabba's
42) Sgt. Doallyn, Jabba’s Palace
43) Padme Amidala, Outland Peasant Disguise
44) Ben Quadrinaros, Podracer
45) Keeolkeech, Ewok Warrior
46) Chief Chirpa, Ewok Leader
47) -Clone Trooper in red, out of armor, from mealtime on Kamino
48) Commander Tey How, Niemoidian with sensors in eyes and mouth
49) Biggs Darklighter, Academy Uniform, ANH Lost Scenes
50) Padme Black Leather Temptation Tey How is the first name I notice, but R5-D4 is the figure I'd want most from this list so he gets my vote.

[dindae]

M'iiyoom Onith again.

[B'Omarr Monkey]

I'm sticking with Ben Quadinaros, though I too would rather have Biggs than Red Leader.

I understand the system much better now, though I'm starting to visualize a scene in a movie like "Se7en" where two cops enter a large gloomy room, their flashlights scan the walls and in tiny ragged writing all over the walls, floor, ceiling, and furniture, sometimes scratched in witha nail, sometimes, with a human nail are lists and revisions of lists with R5-D4 crossed out, then scratched back in. There is a system to this madness, but only a madman could see it. One of the cops asks "What kind of psycho are we dealing with.?" Then Tycho jumps out of the closet, his eyes bloodshot and mad, his hair long and greasy, foaming at the mouth, covered in his own filth, a plastic 'temptation dress Padmé Amidala clutched in his hand.

Anyway, now that I'm done poking a bit of fun at you, let me ask you two questions.

1. Why do new contenders get placed so high on the list? Why start them at slot #35 instead of #50? Starting them at the bottom would get them off the list right away if no one wanted them, whereas starting them up high, forces other more wanted characters down as the new unwanted contender drops, pushing them out of the way.

2. Why do characters knocked off the list get to be added back on later? If they're dropped of the list, shouldn't they stay off? They had their chance and didn't make the cut. I'm still voting for Ben Quadinaros, but if he drops off the list, I'll take that as a result of him being less desired than others by the group as a whole.

[Tycho]

I'm going to answer B'Omarr's question while posting the next poll.

Right now, we're going to vote on the Rebel Flight Tecnician, Yavin Base.

He's basically a Rebel Fleet Trooper with a slightly different uniform and two flashlight accessories he holds in his hands to conduct air traffic. Maybe he'll come with at least one ladder, like the accessory pack one had plans for 3 or 4 ladders for each of the Rebel fighters. But we can't go "Ultra" on this character here (he'd lost an Ultra vote previously). A basic figure might come with 1 ladder and the flashlight accessories.

1. Why do new contenders get placed so high on the list? Why start them at slot #35 instead of #50? Starting them at the bottom would get them off the list right away if no one wanted them, whereas starting them up high, forces other more wanted characters down as the new unwanted contender drops, pushing them out of the way.

The Rebel Flight Crewer only competed (and lost) to Han Solo Yavin Ceremony (#35). He's never competed against all the rest of the characters on the list we're chosing from (like Quadrinaros, the Ewoks, etc.)

If he comes on the bottom of the list, he'll stand no chance and fall off immediately if only 1 person wants him.

However, perhaps 1 person really wants him, and another would care for him more than maybe R5D4. However, with Chief Chirpa about to fall of the list (to make room for Yavin Flight Crewer), someone who really wants to ensure Chirpa gets made, might vote for Chirpa to save him (a STRATEGIC VOTE) even if Quadrinaros is their favorite figure.

1) Because they'd rather have Quadrinaros AND Chirpa AND THE FLIGHT CREWER MADE all over R5D4. So as long as their favorite (Quadrinaros) remains on the list, why should they get him and all other CRAPPY FIGURE CHOICES if they can prevent it. No one is requiring anyone to explain their motivations as to why they are voting the way they are voting here. So we don't know what's a strategic vote from whom and I don't keep track of whether Quadrinaros' biggest fan constantly votes for him or not.

The system as it will can let someone give their favorite choice - the Yavin Tech a chance, since he won't fall off immediatley and he may get some votes later, after the R5D4 hater saves Chief Chirpa, and thereby makes it safe for that Ewok fan to vote for the flight crewer he'd rather have than R5D4.

WE ALL DON'T WANT EVERYTHING ON THE LIST. The list is made up of what the majority has allowed for over time, but some people's singular interests (like Padme Black Leather) is able to survive for as long as 1 or 2 peopl