Terminator 4 News!!

[Beast]

Hmm, not to sure about the plot for this one. But Terminator 3 was remarkably good in my opinion. And atleast Mario Kassar is remaining involved in the sequels. The following news from Dark Horizon:
Producer Mario Kassar recently spoke to a Lebanese film magazine regarding production for Terminator 4 and TheArnoldFans transcribed a copy of the key elements of the article:

"T4 is in the works. The screenplay will be ready in 8 or 9 months. Once we have that, we will proceed with the production. The question that has never been answered in all the Terminator films is time travel. You can come from the future to change the present. But we never see how they go back to the future, which is a subject that can be explored. I think you already know where T4 is going from the ending of T3."
MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

[Pendo]

How about this for a plot? The Terminator comes back through time to the year 2003 and destroys all copies of Terminator 3 and wipes the entire movie from existence before it was ever released? :crazed:

Seriously, no more! They've already killed the franchise, why keep shooting it?

:mad:

PENDO!

[sith_killer_99]

They've already killed the franchise, why keep shooting it?

I could go in soooo many different directions with that, being that this is a Terminator thread, but I won't.

I enjoyed the third Terminator movie. Though, I always pictured John Connor as being a bit...bigger.

[Beast]

I enjoyed the 3rd one also. Infact it rates just under Terminator II for me. With the original coming in dead last. Sure the original set up the story. But I like the different paths taken in 2 and 3. Bring on 4, I'll be plunking my money down for this baby. :)

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

[Darth Trymybestus]

Terminator 3 was very enjoyable. Although, I preferred the original out of the three. It was just really fast paced, very dark and moody.

I'll for sure see Terminator 4. But they can leave things as they are now though because it has brought the franchise full circle. John Connor survives and leads the humans to victory in the war against the Machines.
Any other Terminator movies would be purely set in the future, basically just a war movie set in the future. They'd have to be. The plot of a Terminator coming from the future to kill John Connor is getting old now. I'm surprised that's what they actually did in T3, I thought it might be something a bit different. :sur: :)

[evenflow]

T3 was surprisingly good, I am down for a part 4.

[Sentinel18725]

How about the Terminator going back in time and fixing the California elections so that it can become the Governor....

[stillakid]

Well, the plot incongrueties that T3 set up aside, T4 sounds a lot like what Cameron's T3 was going to be. A day late and a dollar short.

Oh, and someone mentioned elsewhere that "Cameron liked the direction that T3 was taking..." I haven't seen nor heard Cameron's comments myself on that, so all I can do is guess, but after thinking about it (and knowing what kinds of things Cameron is into these days), I'd be willing to bet that what he was referring to was this T3 concept of Skynet infiltrating the internet. It seems very unlikely that he was referring to the overall plot which decimated all that he took great pains to set up in T2. I was just going through some of the T2 dialogue the other day and it says point blank how when Skynet "evolves" and everything goes down. T3 ignores the concept of "Skynet suddenly becoming aware...scientists realizing it and trying to shut it down in a hurry...and Skynet's reaction". T3's timeline is far more plodding, as Skynet appears to have been self-aware for the majority of the film with no one noticing...plus the idea that the war was going to happen no matter how many sequels get made.

With all that in mind, and the seemingly impossible situation of thinking that they can put a stop to the madness from the present, it seems logical that young-John would make an attempt to go into the future to wipe out Skynet before it ever sends back the T-100 (from Terminator 1) as it was the chip that was left over which gave Miles Dyson the vision to create Skynet in the first place.

[Exhaust Port]

I guess they'll be writing Arnold out of this one.

[stillakid]

I guess they'll be writing Arnold out of this one.


And it's about f'ing time! Besides "name value" was there any need to make a complete rehash of T1 & T2 using Aaanold?

[Exhaust Port]

If there is any actor/acting that can be easily replace AND improved by CGI it's Arnold. :)

[Pendo]

I guess they'll be writing Arnold out of this one.
I hope they write the T-1000 in the T-800's (not T-101 as stated in T3 :mad:) place. And PLEASE don't bring back the T-X :rolleyes:!

PENDO!

[arctangent]

I guess they'll be writing Arnold out of this one.

question is how many people out there in filmland will want to go and see terminator 4 in the first place, let alone terminator 4 without arnie as the terminator?

[James Boba Fettfield]

I want to see Michael Biehn make an appearance.

What? :)

[Exhaust Port]

If Cameron is within 100 miles of a movie it has to have Micheal Biehn in it (as well as Bill Paxton). :)

[2-1B]

And a hot chick whose physical appearance he can deride. :rolleyes:

Kate Winslet GOT NAKED for him and his stupid movie, then he goes and makes that "Kate Weighsalot" comment. Class act. :rolleyes:

No wonder Linda Hamilton dropped his sorry ***. :D

[scruffziller]

How about this for a plot? The Terminator comes back through time to the year 2003 and destroys all copies of Terminator 3 and wipes the entire movie from existence before it was ever released? :crazed:

Seriously, no more! They've already killed the franchise, why keep shooting it?

:mad:

PENDO!
Don't mean to sound malicious Pendo because I like you. But do you go see these sequels. You don't have to. When(if) SW 7,8,9 comes out you will be a hypocrite if you set foot in the theatre.;)

[aceguide]

I'm with PENDO. T3 was not a good movie. The casting was poor and the plot poorer. Let is go...

[DarthBrandon]

I'm not with anyone on this, but my personal opinion is that T3 blew chunks big time. I will not go into detail about what I disliked about T3 (mostly all of it), but I will say that stillakid summed it up the best IMO. (can't believe I said that) :D

[Pendo]

When(if) SW 7,8,9 comes out you will be a hypocrite if you set foot in the theatre.;)
I'll be a hypocrite even if I don't step foot in the theatre :crazed::p

PENDO!

[Hellboy]

I really don't see any way to save this once rich franchise. T3 was so bad that I have little faith or interest in seeing another sequel.

[scruffziller]

I'll be a hypocrite even if I don't step foot in the theatre :crazed::p

PENDO!
Because you'll be looking at spoiler pics?:D

[Jayspawn]

I loved T3. I hope they make another if they stick to the details.

[Pendo]

I loved T3. I hope they make another if they stick to the details.
Stick to what details? I wished they'd done that with T3, but all that seemed to do was causing continuity errors with the first two movies? :crazed:

PENDO!

[arctangent]

Stick to what details? I wished they'd done that with T3, but all that seemed to do was causing continuity errors with the first two movies? :crazed:

PENDO!

perhaps in terminator 4 we will find that terminator 3 was just like the bobby ewing/dallas dream and we will all wake up to find nothing that happened in t3 was real lol

[JON9000]

The problem with T3 is that it was too formulaic. 2 warriors from the future going back in time to wipe out a messiah, appearing out of bubbles and baring their rear ends. The initial clash (completely rehashed in T3), the incidental exposition scene (Terminator tells the Johnny come lately, in this case, Claire Danes, what is up). The final confrontation where the terminator loses its skin...

All this seemed cliched by the third go around. All I can say is that perhaps by moving the films to the future, the screenwriters can come up with some fresh ideas. Ugh. :greedy:

[scruffziller]

News has it that T4 is announced for 2006.

Now we've heard that Claire Danes and Nick Stahl won't be returning for this film, which is reportedly set substantially in the future. Also, rumor has it that Ahnuld won't be back neither. (Empire Online)

However I had also heard rumors that Ahnuld would be back anywhere from a full roll to a cameo.

[Pendo]

I've heard Michael Biehn will be returning. I think he's a bit old now to play Kyle Reese again.

PENDO!

[General_Grievous]

Man, I hope that they just kill it. T3 is a movie that should never have been made. The only good thing that came out of it was Kristanna Loken's naked butt, but that's about it. Why can't Hollywood devote more time to making more meaningful sequels, like X-Men 3????

[Jayspawn]

Still, I liked T3 -great action movie. I'm big on details and I didnt pick out anything contradictory between the movies.

Anybody who has a legitimate discrepancy care to share?

[Slicker]

The only one that I can think of is from T2 where they say there's no fate but what we make but then in T3 he says that the war was inevitable. So in other words fate destined them to go to war and there was nothing they could do to change it.

[2-1B]

Nick Stahl is out ? Bummer, I liked him much better than Edward Furlong.

[hango fett]

i would love to see another. time travel has always been a favirote in the sci-fi area. i just love the possibilities!
bring on T4
HF

[DarthQuack]

I'm wondering how many movies they can stretch out with this franchise.

[Pendo]

I'm big on details and I didnt pick out anything contradictory between the movies.

Anybody who has a legitimate discrepancy care to share?

Well the main one being that the first two movies established that there was "No Fate", and the third one destroys what the first two movies were about by making the war inevitable!

Also in Terminator 2, John Connor was 10 years old, and it clerarly states his age on the computer inside the police car when the T-1000 runs a search for John Connor's name. In Terminator 3, John Connor says that he was 13 when he was attacked by the T-1000, which he was not!

And in the first two movies, Arnold's Terminator was a T-800, Model 101 but in Terminator he describes himself as a T-101, which he also is NOT!!!

I'm sure there are a few other errors between the movies, but they're the main ones that I'd like to point out :).

PENDO!

[Beast]

Well the main one being that the first two movies established that there was "No Fate", and the third one destroys what the first two movies were about by making the war inevitable!

PENDO!
I don't really see this as contradictory. After all, James Cameron removed the 'sappy happy' ending from T2 for a reason. As the Terminator told John in Terminator 2, "It's in our nature to destroy ourselves". So the war eventually occuring but down the timeline makes sense, in my honest opinion. :)

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

[sith_killer_99]

I gotta go with JJB on this one. Sure there is no fate. But I always found it kind of funny that Sara would be able to stop everything from happening. Like Arnold said, "It's in our nature to destroy ourselves". So can one woman, or even one woman and a child change the direction of human events.

We see in T3 that they can delay or impact human events. But let's get real, unless everyone believed the danger was real they would keep on doing what they were doing. That's the point, we never know until it's too late. Sure the future is what we make of it, not what they make of it. They did change the future, they postponed the war, but they couldn't stop it. It's like the little Dutch boy trying to stop a tsunami.....good luck with that!

I think I liked the ending of T3 the best. But then, I'm a sucker for movies that end on a down note. That's part of the reason I liked Saw!

[scruffziller]

And in the first two movies, Arnold's Terminator was a T-800, Model 101 but in Terminator he describes himself as a T-101, which he also is NOT!!!


He is a T-101 in T3 because he is a Terminator from the timeline in which the first Judgement Day never happened. He was created under different circumstances than the T-800 Model 101. And if we can intrepret it right, it seems that the technology advanced faster than in the previous reality if he was at T-101 instead of T-800. Which may explain why we see TX instead of the T-1000. Alternate realities can constitute minor differences. Even if it is a scripting error, I accept all things presented "as is" as cannon. That is a big part of the charm of stories, especially with all that can be pointed out in SW.

I gotta go with JJB on this one. Sure there is no fate. But I always found it kind of funny that Sara would be able to stop everything from happening. Like Arnold said, "It's in our nature to destroy ourselves". So can one woman, or even one woman and a child change the direction of human events.

We see in T3 that they can delay or impact human events. But let's get real, unless everyone believed the danger was real they would keep on doing what they were doing. That's the point, we never know until it's too late. Sure the future is what we make of it, not what they make of it. They did change the future, they postponed the war, but they couldn't stop it. It's like the little Dutch boy trying to stop a tsunami.....good luck with that!

I think I liked the ending of T3 the best. But then, I'm a sucker for movies that end on a down note. That's part of the reason I liked Saw!

Amen to that. Most people got the impression(including myself, fell into the trap) that by taking actions to prevent the proverbial "Judgement Day" that stopping the Terminators of T1 and T2, that the catastrophe type that happened in 1997 would never happen, ever. As long as we aren't getting shot down by skeletal robots and fried by nukes, there is no reason for alarm.:rolleyes: Plus too, if you guys remember the Terminators weren't being sent back to prevent the humans from preventing JD, but to prevent John Connor from leading the humans to victory, seeing it through to the end. Sarah Connor getting the idea she could stop JD, was a pointless fluke in the grand scheme. And if you look at it as a whole, the machines never had that on their minds at all. So if you read between the lines in T1 and T2, it basically says that JD will happen no matter what, even if the T3, T4, T5, T6 etc. movies would have never been made.:)


But I think that T4 is going to open a whole new tone for the franchise. the first 3 were basically part 1. The time travel issue has been resolved and the only thing to do now is to is to see the war through to the end.

[Pendo]

He is a T-101 in T3 because he is a Terminator from the timeline in which the first Judgement Day never happened. He was created under different circumstances than the T-800 Model 101. And if we can intrepret it right, it seems that the technology advanced faster than in the previous reality if he was at T-101 instead of T-800. Which may explain why we see TX instead of the T-1000. Alternate realities can constitute minor differences. Even if it is a scripting error, I accept all things presented "as is" as cannon. That is a big part of the charm of stories, especially with all that can be pointed out in SW.

Sorry, but I don't buy that. And it also doesn't help to explain Connor's age difference in T2 or the "No Fate" issue.

PENDO!

[stillakid]

Sorry, but I don't buy that. And it also doesn't help to explain Connor's age difference in T2 or the "No Fate" issue.

PENDO!

I agree. I don't think that T2 or T3 are meant to be viewed as being set up along a different timeline from 1. T2 happens because Skynet's first attempt failed with the Schwarzenegger model. T3 happens because the first two attempts failed. And there are references to the earlier attempts in the later movies, therefore Skynet is aware of the previous "history" and builds on it.

If there is any continuity error (storywise) that exists it is in that T2 worked really hard to suggest that "no fate but what we make," or, our future is not predetermined. In one fell swoop, T3 undid all of that by saying instead that our future IS predetermined and there is no point in trying to change anything.

[2-1B]

I just think humanity failed in the whole "no fate but what we make" thing . . . sure it's possible but it's in our nature to destroy, I mean my goodness, look at our own real world history. How many wars, how many seneless deaths, "we" haven't changed much, that's for sure.

[stillakid]

I once killed a man in Reno just to watch him die... :dis:

[Tycho]

I just watched T1 and T2 again and I love these movies. They rank in my all-time favorites category for sure. The Terminator films are better than a lot of what's popular out there - like Aliens, etc.

I don't have much to add to your discussion right now as I have yet to watch T3 again, but I read everyone's comments and found it really interesting.

Does anyone know if there is any more news about a Terminator 4? It obviously won't be coming out in 2006.

[2-1B]

Tycho, while you're at it go ahead and watch the Fullscreen version of T3, you get to see more boobage on the Terminatrix. :thumbsup:

I'm interested in a T-Marathon myself, man Tycho you are really inspiring me lately...First Blood was great to revisit a few weeks back, thanks again. :)

[scruffziller]

I just watched T1 and T2 again and I love these movies. They rank in my all-time favorites category for sure. The Terminator films are better than a lot of what's popular out there - like Aliens, etc.

I don't have much to add to your discussion right now as I have yet to watch T3 again, but I read everyone's comments and found it really interesting.

Does anyone know if there is any more news about a Terminator 4? It obviously won't be coming out in 2006.

According to imdb.com, the script is finished and ready to start filming early 2007. Nick Stahl is rumored to appear. Johnathon Mostow directing again.
No sign of Cameron for writing or Arnold to appear.


In one fell swoop, T3 undid all of that by saying instead that our future IS predetermined and there is no point in trying to change anything. As long as people can still die, we can only change how it happens or when it happens. Yes, our lives are predetermined in that way. We will die. I think the way that the story's allegory was going is that JD is being paralleled with death in general. You can't change an event in history that will prevent death from ever coming. All we can do is ease the pain.
That is why the triumph in "V for Vendetta" was lackluster. Because when the people triumphed, I thought to myself. "They will only create another government like it to take it's place, eventually."

[Tycho]

Well, anyone think they have started working on this?

Terminator 4! (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0438488/)

Coming to your future in 2008.

[BountyHunterScum]

Hopefully they do it right, I have the future soldiers figure set made by leading edge games a long time ago. Now they know everything maybe they can undo the whole terminator thing.

[El Chuxter]

Why can't Hollywood devote more time to making more meaningful sequels, like X-Men 3????

My, how hindsight has altered that statement.

[BountyHunterScum]

X3 meaningful??? HAHAHAHAHA are you high?!?!?!?! X3 was an abomination.

[Tycho]

I just watched the X-movies again and rather liked X3.

I've never read the X-comics though, but the films have inspired me to look into them moreso than any other super hero property.

[El Chuxter]

The reason X3 was disappointing was its being a brainless action film coming on the heels of two films that were anything but brainless. It's not got much to do with faithfulness to the source material.

But that's a discussion for another thread.

[DarkArtist]

I just watched the X-movies again and rather liked X3.

I've never read the X-comics though, but the films have inspired me to look into them moreso than any other super hero property.


I have to agree here Tycho. I thought X3 was a great movie. liked it alot more at times then X2.

[BountyHunterScum]

The reason X3 was disappointing was its being a brainless action film coming on the heels of two films that were anything but brainless. It's not got much to do with faithfulness to the source material.

But that's a discussion for another thread.

I agree with that assessment.

[Tycho]

It wasn't brainless - a key plot point was that there was a "cure" for the mutant X gene and different characters like Rogue and Storm felt very differently about it.

Meanwhile, Wolverine having to sacrafice Jean Grey was truly heartfelt and a poignant ending to the film done very dramatically.

Anyway, I realize too that there is an X3 thread - but I had to make my remarks where the people they were directed towards would see them.

[El Chuxter]

Magneto decides to attack a medical facility on Alcatraz. (Let's ignore how ludicrous the placement of the facility is.)

To get his evil mutants--most of whom apparently have the power to jump around like idiots--to Alcatraz, he bends the Golden Gate Bridge. Without any calculations, he simply picks the proper length of bridge they'll need. Never mind that the bridge would have shattered. Never mind that it's probably not long enough (I may be wrong on that).

Plus you have two major characters killed for no reason other than to get them out of the picture. And the only almost-powerful moment, a powerless Magneto with no one to play chess with, is ruined by a silly "guess what's coming in X4" moment.

Oh yeah, and we totally ignored the origins for the Phoenix that Singer had set up in X-Men and X2 to go for something with more explosions.

This on the heels of what are probably the two most character-driven, cerebral comic book films.

I'd say that qualifies as brainless.

Brainless isn't always bad. But the third X-Men movie should've made an attempt to be at least halfway as intelligent. This went for the intellectual level of Fantastic Four, or maybe the 1980s Punisher movie.

[BountyHunterScum]

If I'm not mistaken Cyclops and Prof X never died permanently in the comics though I never read them. The only thing good about X3 was John Powell's original score. X3 The Last Terd, before the flush. Are we sure there is even going to be an X4?

[Val Da Car]

If I'm not mistaken Cyclops and Prof X never died permanently in the comics though I never read them. The only thing good about X3 was John Powell's original score. X3 The Last Terd, before the flush. Are we sure there is even going to be an X4?


btw the Prof didn't die in x 3 either.

Wait through the credits and watch Dr McTaggart and the patient in the bed behind her.

This patient was also in the scene when she was mentioned earlier in the movie.

I will throw up the time and tracks for both.

[El Chuxter]

His not being truly dead weakens the sacrifice. More lousy storytelling.

[BountyHunterScum]

btw the Prof didn't die in x 3 either.

Wait through the credits and watch Dr McTaggart and the patient in the bed behind her.

This patient was also in the scene when she was mentioned earlier in the movie.

I will throw up the time and tracks for both.

Was his body ever vaporized in the comics?

[2-1B]

Let's get back on topic, enough of the X-Men talk already !

I'm looking forward to Terminator Salvation (4), Christian Bale as John Connor has me interested...I'll give it a chance.