Changes to the Just Found section!

[sith_killer_99]

I have decided to make some changes to the Just Found section.

These should come as little or no suprise to most folks here. These changes involve the WAY that finds are posted.

If you have any questions about HOW posts should be done please read the Guidelines posted by SirSteve.

So, I am letting everyone know in advance. In one week I will begin making the changes, this will include, closing threads, renaming threads, combining threads, etc.

Unless I hear otherwise from Steve (or JT) these changes will be permanant.

MTFBWY

[Prince Xizor]

:Pirate:

[JediTricks]

Um, I'm probably speaking for all the readers when I ask... what would these changes be? :D

[sith_killer_99]

Steve has stipulated that folks should post finds as follows:

In the Subject field, enter the State and what you found. ie.

FL - Eeth Koth Wave!

Then in the message area post the details, such as the city, how many of each, etc.

This is based on Steves "Guidelines - Read!" thread. It will also assist people in identifying areas where new stuff is turning up without having to read each post.

However, there are several threads right now that are general area threads. Such as VA/DC/MD, NJ Finds, LA area Just Found, etc.

If this is the way we need to start posting then we should close out the old threads, otherwise people will just keep posting in those threads.

The alternative is to simply MOVE them to the "Collector's Clubs" section.

This would probably cause the least amount of friction.

I am sure that many posters here have grown attatched to these long running threads. I don't blame them, but this issue has been raised before. ie. The way that finds are posted and the way they should be posted.

Steve proposed the guidelines and it will take some time to move the threads, which is why I am just now getting into making the changes.

JT, if you have any sugestions PLMK. Otherwise, I will most likely move them to the Collector's Clubs section.

[stillakid]

Originally posted by sith_killer_99
Steve has stipulated that folks should post finds as follows:

In the Subject field, enter the State and what you found. ie.

FL - Eeth Koth Wave!

Then in the message area post the details, such as the city, how many of each, etc.

This is based on Steves "Guidelines - Read!" thread. It will also assist people in identifying areas where new stuff is turning up without having to read each post.

However, there are several threads right now that are general area threads. Such as VA/DC/MD, NJ Finds, LA area Just Found, etc.

If this is the way we need to start posting then we should close out the old threads, otherwise people will just keep posting in those threads.

The alternative is to simply MOVE them to the "Collector's Clubs" section.

This would probably cause the least amount of friction.

I am sure that many posters here have grown attatched to these long running threads. I don't blame them, but this issue has been raised before. ie. The way that finds are posted and the way they should be posted.

Steve proposed the guidelines and it will take some time to move the threads, which is why I am just now getting into making the changes.

JT, if you have any sugestions PLMK. Otherwise, I will most likely move them to the Collector's Clubs section.

First, as far as the In the Subject field, enter the State and what you found. ie. that's all well and good if you know the intricate details of each Wave. Not all of us study this stuff or carry around the scorecard to keep track. I honestly couldn't tell you which figure comes with which wave. And what's more, I could care less. So, to post the Subject field like this will be redundant with almost any details I'll provide in the body of the post.

Second, you speak of the general "LA area" thread as if it is a bad thing. I have no idea where you live, but if you were here, you'd understand that this is the best "topic title" possible to cover this area. Los Angeles is indeed large, but the SSG community represented here is relatively small in comparison. And we all live a fair distance apart. With the number of retailers available within range of everyone, the best system for reporting "just found" is already in place here. Don't try to F' it up in an attempt to tidy the boards for no reason please. The alternative will be a hodge podge of LA city related threads that literally one or two people will "own". Then that will force the everyone to have to visit upwards of 5-10 threads when one has done the job. It's bad enough that I have to check in on RebelScum as well just to make sure I'm not missing anything.

Ultimately, I'm not sure what your goal here is but it sounds like you're trying to fix something that ain't broke.

Just my 2 cents.

[sith_killer_99]

1. I knew this would be a hot issue with some people. It involves change and most people are resistant to change. But there are some points to consider.

2. I have nothing against threads like LA area, Ohio, Kentucky, etc. On the contrary, I post in threads like these all the time:

http://www.sirstevesguide.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11999

The point is that they should probably be moved to the Collectors Club section.

3. This issue has been raised before.

http://www.sirstevesguide.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14682

4. I am not trying to F' up any boards, I am however trying to tidy them up. That's what I was asked to do.

http://www.sirstevesguide.com/forums/showthread.php?s=threadid=2163

http://www.sirstevesguide.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2574

5. Here are some examples of what we are looking for:

http://www.sirstevesguide.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16111

http://www.sirstevesguide.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14835

6. Here is what we want to avoid:

http://www.sirstevesguide.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4709

I think we have done a good job of avoiding the "Have you found" threads. But ultimatly what we would like to see when we click on the Just found section is something like this:

KY - Holiday R2-D2 and C-3PO

MN - Clone Trooper Pilot

LA - Teemto, Jango Pilot, MM AT-AT Walker

FL - Sio Bibble, R2-B1, TC-14

CO - Ephant Mon, Clone Pilot

This will make the Just found section easier to read. You can see what is out without haveing to click and read each thread. And yes, people in KY want to know when something hits California. The reason for this is simple. Traditionally CA for example may get stuff a week before KY.

The whole "Eeth Koth wave was just an example. People can post individual figures if they prefer. Beside most collectors have a good idea of what is in certain waves, granted it can vary. I think Eeth can in 2 different shipments anyway.

The point is to list what was found and where you found it in the title.

With all of that said, I will seriously consider any and all points of view on the matter, but ultimatly it will be up to the Admin. afterall, it's his site.

I hope this clarified a few things.

;)

[mtriv73]

So basically you would rather sift through 100 posts a day saying that Ephant Mon has been found in Hoboken or Seattle rather than just see if it has turned up in your area? Posting by state definitely would not work in my area (VA/DC/MD.) I couldn't care less what is being found in Western Maryland or the Eastern Shore, but this group mainly posts things found in the DC metro area (where I actually live.) The only reason I post things I've found around here is to give a heads up to people are interested and who live close enough to come and buy them. For what it's worth, that's my 2 cents of the matter.

[stillakid]

Originally posted by sith_killer_99
2. I have nothing against threads like LA area, Ohio, Kentucky, etc. On the contrary, I post in threads like these all the time:


I'm all for cleaning it up, but correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like you're treating "LA area" as if we operate like a collector's club. I suppose it depends upon your definition, but it isn't really one at all in that sense.

I see that you're from Ft. Knox. I don't know much about that particular city, but I'll wager that it's smaller than Los Angeles County. What you're proposing might work really well in a self-contained area like that, but it is entirely impractical for the Los Angeles Area. I've got a sneaking suspicion that it's the name of the thread that bothers you. It somehow suggests to you that this is a widebased "club" rather than a city specific just found thread. If that's what's on your mind, I'll be the first to say you're mistaken. "LA Area" is the best description for the situation we have over here and to break it up into the multitude of cities we have would be impractical and just plain silly. As I mentioned, half the internet Just Found crowd for LA posts exclusively at RebelScum already. I'm not sure that shaking this tree any more will improve an already fragmented collecting community.

Honestly, I'm not really sure how you propose to "improve" the "LA Area Just Found" thread. If you were more specific then we could get to point B much faster.

[sith_killer_99]

I'm not saying that people can't post as they have been doing.

I'm saying that those threads will be moved to the Collectors Club section.

If you don't want to post in the Just Found section then just post in the Collector's Club section.

Stillakid, I don't understand why you are going off about LA area? I must not be making myself clear.

I am saying that all "area threads" will be moved to the Collectors Club section. Here is a list of threads I am considering moving:

NoCal/Northbay Reports

L.A. area Just Found news

Suprises are everywhere, in COLORADO!

Columbus, Ohio Summer 2002

MA finds

And so on. This has nothing to do with singling out LA area. I usually post in "Louisville KY / Southern IN" thread in the Just Found section. I am planning on moving THAT thread to the Collectors Club area as well.

The Just Found section will be geared more towards individual finds.

[stillakid]

Originally posted by sith_killer_99
I'm not saying that people can't post as they have been doing.

I'm saying that those threads will be moved to the Collectors Club section.

If you don't want to post in the Just Found section then just post in the Collector's Club section.

Yeah, that makes a whole lotta sense. :rolleyes: You just got done saying that people in KY like to know what's being released in LA. So in order to make that actually happen, it would require us over here to post the exact same information twice to make everyone happy, once in Just Found and once in Collector's Club.

Sure, as you say, we can just post in Collector's Club, but wouldn't that negate the original purpose of cleaning up the Just Found threads? It would be cleaned up alright. Not a damn post in sight, which would then require y'all back East to return to the way it is EXACTLY right now, except it would require an extra couple clicks into the Collector's Club section. You still wouldn't have the SUBJECT line the way you want it, PLUS in the Collector's Club, we have the additional freedom to chit chat, making your job of finding Just Found information that much harder to sift through.

Is any of this making sense? It sure doesn't to me. Don't get me wrong, I see what you're trying to do, but in practice, it isn't practical to achieve what you're after. All you really want is for people to type in the SUBJECT line properly. That would make everybody happy. Perhaps a change to the forum program that only allows that format in the subject line for the Just Found sections that forces the issue. Any other changes invite chaos.

[KiValleyTiger]

Deja vu:crazed:

I think we have been through on this similar issue with "LA thread" just months ago, with several members leaving the Forum. If I recalled Sir Steve and JT reopend again this thread after that. sith_killer_99, if you read the posts in the thread, everybody didn't have any complain. Everybody was happy as the way it is, posting news etc. Why should we change? I still didn't see the point of that and I didn't see any complain from Sir Steve or JT regarding the thread. I saw JT posting some news, so he must be aware of the thread and he never said anything. Making it in Collector's Club will create an inconvinience for several people and will drive them away. We are happy just the way it is, please leave us alone. Thank you.

[stillakid]

Okay, I'm a fair guy. :) I put some thought into and came up with something resembling a solution for you.

Since you're probably intent on placing all the current working Just Found city threads into the Collector's Club dungeon for the sake of cleanliness, we'll go with that assumption.

I propose that you completely revamp the JUST FOUND area so that the administration sets up the individual threads within it. Instead of city areas, the thread titles would be WAVE or ITEM specific. For instance, the thread title would say something like

WAVE 10: Coll. 2 2003 Yoda/Chian, Ashla/Jempa, Padme, Wat Tambor, Coleman Trebor

Then, when we find something from that wave, we could head directly into that thread and post what item we found and exactly where.

The Thread title would have to include all the items from each wave for those of us that don't study at night. This is why a MOD has to set it up...so it's done properly and everything conforms. Need a tidy site afterall. ;) No "user" begun threads allowed in Just Found. But that would shut out oddball items. But I suppose we could go browsing through the 50 or so Collector's Clubs everyday just so we don't miss anything. :rolleyes:

Cleaned up it would be. The drag is that, as mtriv mentioned, we'd have to jog through a ton of posts just to find out if any were found in your own vicinity. This gets back into the silly business of double-posting, but I sense that's an evil we'll have to live with if we're inclined to visit both areas.

But the good thing about this system would be that if, say for instance, we never found the Endor Accessory pack the first time around, that particular "Just Found: ENDOR ACCESSORY PACK" thread would light up when the stuff began showing up out of the blue (as it is now). Subsequently, that thread would show up in the "View New Posts" view and all would be well. But, that's assuming that people are inclined to post twice, once in their "club" and again in the "just found" area.

Do as you see fit. :)

[SirSteve]

You guys come up with a format and sith_killer will run it by me before anything is done. One thing that will stay the same are the city groups. Like the Orlando area, etc. We don't want to break that up. But for general finds, we do need to do something.

[stillakid]

Originally posted by SirSteve
You guys come up with a format and sith_killer will run it by me before anything is done. One thing that will stay the same are the city groups. Like the Orlando area, etc. We don't want to break that up. But for general finds, we do need to do something.

Do you like my idea of having the Thread topics be named after the Waves or individual items? Doing it that way would let people head right for the item they desire and see if it is available. For instance, I don't care about 12" figures so I could zero in on only the 3" stuff I want to know about.


PS. By the way, your scowling Yoda icon scares me. :eek:

[Rogue II]

I'll be happy if you just leave the city/state groups alone.

You can set up whatever rules about finding certain figures/waves you want, but even moderators post "Just Found" and "Review" threads in the Saga section.

http://www.sirstevesguide.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16171

http://www.sirstevesguide.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15245

I doubt you will ever be able to stop people from doing this. People get excited about their finds and post it in the area that gets the most traffic, which currently is the Saga thread. Is there anything wrong with that? Personally, I don't think so. I don't read any of the other Just Found threads other than the VA/DC/MD(which is my current local area), so unless someone posts something about finding a new figure in the Saga section, I don't know about it.

[stillakid]

Originally posted by Rogue II
I don't read any of the other Just Found threads other than the VA/DC/MD(which is my current local area),

Sith Killer,

I think that this excerpt is the key phrase in this discussion. Perhaps it calls for a poll to see for certain, but I'd be willing to wager that hardly anyone bounces around the Just Found threads to see what's happening even 200 miles away. Maybe you're right and these "area" threads are indeed de-facto "clubs" but it is the most practical way of communicating the information without redundancy.

[Rogue II]

Stillakid is right. Keep the area threads where they are. Let people post finding the newest wave in the Saga thread. Its going to happen anyway, so why make more work for yourself?

Let's watch the posts about the next "big" find:

There have been 2 posts in the VA/DC/MD thread about people finding the Trash Compactor Scenes...one post said they heard about in on Rebel Scum, one person actually found them in Baltimore. Someone else is bound to find these sets and want to tell the world about it. Watch to see where the first thread about this find pops up. My money is on the Saga thread.

[Rogue II]

What do you know, I was right. Jedi Master Sal posted it in the Saga Section, SirSteve had to move it to Just Found.

[metaljedi]

:crazed: Here we go again.