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r2dee2
08-17-2001, 11:30 AM
Continuing the VT the Bounty Hunter Thread (http://209.197.112.151/thread.html?dom=ss&TID=20&PID=5153) ....where I posted pics of our last VTeatime, I have another page up of pictures of our VTeatime yesterday. You can see them HERE (http://fan.starwars.com/ForumForce/tea.html)

Thanks to VT for my AF Virago and another TIE Bomber to open:) The Virago was $3! How does he do it:D !!

Warstar is off to Montana to go to film school. Good Luck Warstar, we'll miss seeing you, but know we'll still see you on the Forums.

jeddah
08-17-2001, 01:28 PM
Did I see K3P0 for jeddah written in your subtitle? Merci merci bien!

That pic of Warstar, VT and WS's friend should be titled "the Stygian Witches." :D

Please take more pics next time :)

jeddah

good shot jansen
08-17-2001, 04:03 PM
more photos! just like jeddah said! we wnat more photos!

Hey! jt and baal! where the he.........ah where the heck are your guys photos over at the forummers rogue's gallery?

r2, i'll send you some less formal shots of me with my toys for inclusion on the page. gawd! i look like my father!

np: rolling stones - respectable

JediTricks
08-18-2001, 04:06 PM
And how does one take a picture of the embodiment of the Force? ;)

vulcantouch
08-20-2001, 12:00 AM
if so, compare&contrast w/hunter-thompsonesque machoman persona i happened to be fronting in the previous tea pix (http://fan.starwars.com/sabretoothcollection/tea.html), & you'll realize you should Be so lucky as to possess my compelling, chameleonic androgyny- you'd be suprised how handy it can be from time to time :cool:
that said, which stygian witch do i get to be? is there an edie sedgwick stygian witch? a jackie stygian witch? a parker posey one? and have you seen clockwatchers Yet?? :)
btw, ws' pal was known as "sherwood" here at ssg. and instead of a stygian witch, to me his pics bring to mind paul dooley's assured, superfun portrayal of enabran tain :)
"no wonder the romulans can't conquer the galaxy: no one can stomach their cuisine" -tain (sipping a romulan ale), ds9's "the die is cast" :)
vt
np: mazzy, "fade into you"

jeddah
08-20-2001, 02:27 PM
.....Of course not dear, I would take it as a compliment - but if you must be a *specific* witch, you can be the one with the eye.

The old stygian witches were very wise ol wimmin that lived up in teh caves of Ancient Greece, overlooking the Aegean; They shared an eyball for sight and were cannibals. There is a representation of them in Clash of the Titans.

My remarks were based more on the coven-like aspect of the photos and the regularity with which you meet smacks of "when shall we three meet again, in thunder lightning or in rain, when the hurly burly's done; when the battle's lost and won - there to meet MacD2" :D

As far as me being "so lucky as to possess my compelling, chameleonic androgyny" - I think I have done quite well over the years :p but you're right I do not have your propensity for androgeny.

jeddah
these new forums suck. overcomplicated, underachieving. NO AMIDALA!!!

good shot jansen
08-21-2001, 07:02 AM
is that they is toooooo steril and clean. the old forums (pick your own carnation, old, older, oldest, don't matter which), had a nice personality to em', they may have had their glitches, but i enjoyed using them more than this new one. a good analogy might be the cluttered, slightly dirty, rough around the edges, mom and pop store vs. the big new shiny, everything perfectly coiffed super mall down the road.

hey! that's jes me. (i'm jes happy to have a contunuing forum on mm's)

jeddah, you will find an amidala avatar on page three of the avatar cherces. click on the use cp button nestled between the log out and the calander button on the upper right of your screen, then click on the edit options button, scroll all the way down to the change avatar button, and then go to page three of the avatars. amidala is on the bottom row.

vulcantouch
08-24-2001, 05:48 PM
. . .even though i make up for it & then some w/my excellent Training in other spheres ;) i did see that titan movie waybackwhen, but i still wanna be a specific stygian. hey i know! i'll be a SONTAGIAN (http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0393049280.01.LZZZZZZZ.gif) stygian! it's perfect: she too possesses a formidable, androgynous VersaTility (she's a Real lesbian, not just a Male one like me ;) ), a sharp eye And knows the value of a nice window seat (hers, as you can see, overlooks centpark; i wonder if it's in the tower gsj's grandpappy designed?) :)
gsj: so you look kinda like your faddah; jdah looks kinda like My faddah; if traVolTa were here he'd ask, WHAT'S GOIN ON OVAH HEAH? :p and how come r2 gets all the nice? doncha like My bf tshirt too?? :( :p
report:
b'jr & i went ahuntin, spurred partly by retrieving grif's awings. the good news, grif: it turns out red awing was in a silver-logo box, which has been opened but everything's present, still tied down & in perfect shape, $10.77 incl. tax :) the bad news: the green awing was no longer there :( which of course you can't blame on Me since i launched only 2 days after rec'ving your payment, and it took you Weeks to send me said payment :( anyhoo, after you give me final clearance i'll send off your awing and enclose the change remaining after shipping :) or, you may wish to wait a week (see end of post below :) )
we also found a second silver-logo af awing, also opened but otherwise perfect, $10+tax; anyone wants say so here asap :) also: sealed silver logo xwing, $20; sealed silver snowspeeder ($10 or $25, can't recall offhand), and o-o-p af rancor $7. also, we bagged b'jr a $6 sealed virago model, $6 o-o-p droideka and 2 applause cloud cities (price not sufficiently impressive to warrant citation though :( ).
but the Real newsmaker in this report is r2. i meets up with her at fed spacedock last week to turn over af tie-b and virago to her. but she surprises by havin stuff for me in return! as you can see (http://fan.starwars.com/forumforce/files/aut_4655teamm_6f.jpg), here's what she bagged on her trip to lousyanna:
all 4 mm-sized ep1 snapfast vehicles, $.25 each!
ep1 mm pax 1 & 2, $1 each!
af miniscenes that include sithbike, stap and mini droideka, $2 each!
i turned over all of above to b'jr, who was Glad to get em for such prices :) except for the eka, that is- i kept that for myself, cuz it's cool :) thanx to r2, now i have 4 sizes of this: af, applause, commtech and megaction, each offering their own attractions :) did y'all know that af eka's 3 legs fit perfectly between the triangulated "fork tines" on the top of the aussiebraid holojector? the colors even match nice. try it for yourself :)
demonstrating her commendable attentiveness to our crosstawk here, r2 also took note of jdah's wish for a k3po and remanded one to my custody, $7+tax :):):) (which reminds me to axe jdah if i may open & examine k-3's commpack? :) ) now all we need to do is find jdah an r2q5 before i finish timminator's mixtape & wing this pkg britward (but You, jdah, are not working on Any mixtape, so light that candle already! ;) )
total for r2's stuff was $13.90. meanwhile my total was ~$17, so i ended up giving Her $$ :)
hey r2, didn't we take a pic in which swaffy's music folder's visible? did it come out? canweseecanwesee? :) and hey bc3, did you see the teemto pod swaffy sent me (http://fan.starwars.com/forumforce/files/aut_4656teamm_6f.jpg)? welllll? not too shabby, eh pauly? :)
next friday b'jr & i are planning to hit local trekcon dealer room. plz list all yer hunt wants here before then, specifying min. acceptable condition & max acceptable price :)
vt
np: redbone (Not leon), "come & get your love"

good shot jansen
08-25-2001, 08:23 AM
Originally posted by vulcantouch
. . .the bad news: the green awing was no longer ...........after you give me final clearance i'll send off your awing and enclose the change remaining after shipping :) or, you may wish to wait ..............

i have an idea,

grif, send me your addy, and i'll cover the green a-wing from my end, i have several dupes of it laying around!

vt, you keep the extra scratch from griff, and use it to try and git me some more reasonable priced, (i will only accept srp or less) babylon 5.

if this is agreeable to all, say so here!

np: the who (again:rolleyes: ) - bargain

Grif
08-25-2001, 08:16 PM
Sounds Great GSJ!:D :) :p ;) :cool: :D :D

SWAFMAN
08-25-2001, 09:41 PM
VT, Sounds like you had a full and successful day of bounty hunting w/ b'jr. I sure wish I could still find AFs (open or sealed box) anywhere here!!! About the trek-con, if you see a decent, unopened playmAFes Ferengi Maurauder, I'd be interested. I'd prefer to pay $10.00 or less (but I'd go to $15.00), before shipping. Any chance to listen to the tape yet?

btw - I will not be able to check my work email for the next 2 weeks, so if you email me, please send to the addy in my SSG profile (jr477aol.com).

Hope everyone is enjoying their summer. It sure has gone by fast!

good shot jansen
08-29-2001, 07:28 AM
Originally posted by good shot jansen


i have an idea,

grif, send me your addy, and i'll cover the green a-wing from my end, i have several dupes of it laying around!

vt, you keep the extra scratch from griff, and use it to try and git me some more reasonable priced, (i will only accept srp or less) babylon 5.

if this is agreeable to all, say so here!

horrors of horrors :(

when i checked my stash at home, the boxed green a-wing that i had, is no longer there. i had forgotten that i told my wife it would be ok to give that to a friend of mason's for a birthday present some time ago :(

however, i do have two loose green a-wings, unfortunately the pilots are not included nor mon motha ( they were part of a package auction which i had won, which included a lot of things with it). if you would like, i will send you both of those a-wings (with stands), i'll substitute the a-wing pilots with other pilots which i have, and if agreeable to you, as a bonus, i will include a loose but complete dewback battle pack which includes the rare dropped figure of ig-88. let me know if this is ok, and i will ship it off asap.

jeddah
08-29-2001, 10:05 AM
Many Thanks R2 and VT ! :D

r2dee2
08-29-2001, 10:48 AM
jeddah...you're most welcome!:D ....and hope you got my email regarding the Action Collection R2-A6 I think you were looking for? If not, email me if you're interested.

VT, there was one pic that didn't turn out.... way too overexposed....and I don't think I can salvage it enough to discern SWAFMAN's incredible music folder. Sorry:(

jeddah
08-29-2001, 12:43 PM
Thanks, yes I got your email.

I have about 6 R2-A6's (which I myselft bought for $4.00 apiece). I'm all R2-A6'd out at the mo as I decided to build 1:1 scale models.

Having said that, I am still after the R2-D2 with moveable claws/parts and the R5-D4. Altho' I'm on a collecting sabbatical @ the mo', I make an exception to anyone finding these 2 6"ers. :)

Thanks again,

jeddah

vulcantouch
08-29-2001, 03:10 PM
re other arrangements such as green awing: y'all might wanna wait till after convention friday; let's first see what i can find there :) btw gsj, i think i know who that glenn guy is; in fact, he may be selling at the con. feel free to email him, telling him you're from florida but that a denver pal of yours named vulcantouch will be making the rounds friday night, so if he wants feel free to bring whatever you may wish me to inquire about, as well as his aliens & t2 mms & set them aside for vt's inquiry on your behalf :)
swaffy: oh sure i've had Time to listen to tape, but you already know that with me, it's never that simple; i have to wait for the Right time :cool: the fsmmb's timminator also sent me a cdr (as with gsj's, i'm still working on His mixtape :rolleyes: ) so who knows, maybe i'll hear em both back2back :)
r2: if u still have, plz send overxposed swaffolder pic to my "real name" address so i can see just forda heckuvit ;)
report:
today at thrift store: o-o-p (no figs or stand) af slave1 for b'jr, $.80 :) one thing you never find at thrift stores is mms. i guess potential donors figure, "aw heck, these're so cool and small, it's not like i'm gonna free up a lotta space if i throw em out, so i might as well keep em around". i know how they feel :)
has anyone forgotten i've not only sighted a loose af ig88 figure for $1.50, but also the bp which includes it for $5? just checking :)
vt
np: diana ross, "friend to friend" (rodgers/edwards write/produce)

good shot jansen
08-29-2001, 03:52 PM
i have e-mailed glenn and informed him that you would be makin the rounds on friday, and that i would be interested in his alieans and t2 mm's (i would?).

i've never even given those mm's a thought, but as in the case of bab 5, i trust your judgement in these matters without hesitation, so if you score these fer me at a price that sits well with you, i would love to have these (i would?).

actually, i recall reading somewhere thet the mm acp fits like a glove into the af drop ship, and that does interest me!(i love when mm's work with different lines due to the scale of the toys!)

now i'll have to find a drop ship somewhere. (just when you think you're done.............................................. ..........)

np: robert morse - i believe in you (how to succeed in business without really trying original broadway cast album)

vulcantouch
08-31-2001, 12:35 PM
. . .i was actually asking so i could score em for b'jr, cuz he always wants more of them (esp. the apc, sharing your fits-perfectly-into-the-af motive; he has 15 af droppers and "only" 6 apcs to put in em :eek: but whaddahell, if you wanna get in on t2 & aliens mms, lmk min. acceptable condition & max acceptable price asap, & if b'jr don't want glenn's price (or even if he does ;) ), maybe you will :)
last call for wants! b'jr & i are heading to dealer room in less than 5 hours!! then that pal who sold b'jr $170 wortha sw stuff this summer (http://209.197.112.151/thread.html?dom=ss&TID=20&PID=1539&seen=108) is draggin us to the 'bird (http://www.1159.com/bluebirdtheater.htm) for some sick twisted animation fest or some such. but i promise we won't take any finds in with us :p
vt
np: b52s, "whammy kiss"

vulcantouch
09-01-2001, 10:18 AM
first of all, that guy i thought was glenn wasn't :p oh well:
sightings:
-$5 minmp af tf droid control ship
-$3 o-o-p dc rep cruiser
-strikeforce k-bop, $15
-playmates insurrection ent-e (w/captain's yacht "mm") in a box that has been opened but otherwise in perfect shape, $35
say so ASAP if you want any of above, i'll try to get back for a mopup run :cool: baggins:
-$6 mint o-o-p dc sith inf -say so here if you want :)
-minmp ferengi strikeforce for swaffy, $8.30 (this dealer charged tax)
from another dealer i negotiated a $30 deal for a dc slave 1 (for b'jr, $5) and b5 mm set #5 (for gsj, $25!) :) in the event gsj doesn't want it for that price (about a third of ebay yields :) ), one of you may take it, otherwise b'jr sez for that price he'll be happy to get a second set :)
from another dealer i negotiated a six-item, $50 deal- price breakdown as follows:
-r2q5 for jdah, $10 (about the cheapest we're likely to find; confirm that this is acceptable) :)
-ree-yees on slightly crimped card for $5 -any mm forum regulars may claim this if they want it; otherwise i'm using it for trade fodder
-mega droideka, $10 -claim if you want, otherwise b'jr'll take it :)
-300fett for b'jr, $13
-alpha/af cloud car and bwing, $12 total (hope you waited like i tolja, gsj :) ); b'jr gets the afs, i get the alphas :)
also for me: an mm-sized, snapfast-type model of the kazon raider, FREE! (traded it for b'jr's spare jedi hair braids :) ) like the maquis of this (which i already have), it's prepainted and differs significantly from the mm, which makes it a worthwhile addition to an stmm collection imo :) but box sez they also made a voyager, so you Punks keep an eye out for a cheap one for me, hear? :)
vt
np: bowwowwow, "happy hunting ground"

SWAFMAN
09-01-2001, 11:40 AM
VT - did I read correctly that you scored a Ferengi playmAFes ship for me for $8.30? That is so cool. On your OK, I'll paypal the total + shipping to you in a VeryTimely manner.

BTW, in case you haven't read your email yet, I have a new email address for the house - jr44772@home.com. My work email is still the same, but I won't be in the office until the 10th, so the '@home' one is the best way to contact me. I won't be able to access any computer from about 9/5 to 9/8.

Anywhoo, thanks a bunch for finding the trek ship. Your rep as bountyhunterextraordinaire is solid gold!!!!

I'll try to stay up to date on the forum as much as I can between now and the 4th, then around the end of the week. Hope you enjoy the holiday.

(??any chance to listen to the tape yet? - pls don't flame me if you already posted something on it, and I missed reading it!!! ) :D

good shot jansen
09-01-2001, 02:19 PM
sooooo's when he do come a callin, i'll jes make like ms. warwick and :o walk on by...jes jes jes.....walk on by......:o

outstanding! how doooo you do it? btw, is the alpha b, in your eye's as boring as ya thought, or do ya kinda dig it? i was lookin at masons this morning, and decided that i kinda like the food processor it's got for an engine!

as fer the bab 5, ..............sold to the language thrashing, transplanted new yawka, with the respectable lookin family from miama beectch! (1/3 the usual yield? on some auctions it's a 1/4!)

i hope ya wondered past intergalactic trading's booth, (the boys who only have mint :rolleyes: ) and gave em an honorary bronx cheer (:p pppppffffftttttttt :p )

nobody, but nobody can do the thang like you do!

np: curtis mayfield - superfly

vulcantouch
09-03-2001, 01:09 PM
gsj: all b5mm 1-4 pax were the inexplicable price of $25, so i left em right where they lay :rolleyes: no green awings, so if grif agrees, go ahead & send him your o-o-p green a-wing. then, in return for the $$ he paid for it, i will send you all nine b5mms from pax 1, 2 and 4 (o-o-p); b'jr has graciously agreed to turn over one of each in exchange for the leftover afs i got him friday (above) :) this will yield you all ships from b5 1-5 in one swoop; now, as with the kaztorp/array that eluded your stmm collection til recently, all you'll need is the last pak (#6) :)
b'jr'd actually been loaning me his alpha bwing for the last coupla weeks, so i'd been contemplating its desirableness/lameness quotient for some time. though i too agree the "quisinart cam"'s the focus of its appeal, let's just say i don't expect it'll be seeing much rotation on vt's playlist ;P alpha cc, on other hand, is quite adequate- provided the underside remains out of view, that is. what a bloated, boat-like, unrefined, unintriguing underhull this thing has; i feel like pressing something hot against it to push it in :p
report
maquis quicksnap model (http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1625755019) in a beat-up box (but undamaged contents), $2 :)
also bagged the previously-reported $5 minmp af trade fed droid control ship :)
also an o-o-p dc repcruiser in great shape, $2 :)
say so here asap if y'all want any of above, otherwise b'jr'll take possesion of them.
b'jr found o-o-p dc aat and rss for $3 each :) he also scored his own b5 #5 set for $30, his second. same scalper was selling an le3 set, opened and Missing ent-e, voyager, voy shuttle and obsidian yet was Still $100 :rolleyes: i offered him trade items that cost me a total of $22.50 (abovementioned ree-yees and momc r2 hololeia), and when he declined i walked away :cool:
finally, since no one here claimed, another buyer got the above-reported $35 playmates ent-e w/captyacht "mm"-
vt
np: sister sledge, "you fooled around"

good shot jansen
09-03-2001, 01:22 PM
OH MY GAWD! OH MY GAWD!!!!!!!!

I need a cigarette after that!:D

tawk bout' some big time karma! your scores are beyond legendary, they're mythical! bab 5 1-5 without breakin' a sweat! i'm stunned!

in return i will be puttin' together a special delivery of some more st dupes in your direction.

grif has responded and agreed to my offer of the two green -awings along with the open battle pack w/ ig88.

if anyone needs me, i'll be at the post office :)

np: carly simon - nobody does it better

SWAFMAN
09-03-2001, 04:59 PM
VT - thanks for the acknowledgment. As soon as you a confirm a total including shipping, I'll paypal the $8.30+.

vulcantouch
09-05-2001, 03:13 PM
after all, he Did overpay last time :p meanwhile swaffy, to Flamingly answer mixtape quextion, see aug 29 post above :eek: ;) i guess your attached files aren't working properly on my end. oh well, feel free to describe what i'm missing :o
jdah: your cap just arrived, looks a-ok :) so now, along with your r2q5, your package is COMPLETE AND READY FOR SHIPPING, save for the completion of timminator's mixtape. so i'll tell you what: i'll wait until you've mailed My package before finishing the mixtape & mailing yours. after all, fair's fair, right? :cool: besides, there's gotta be Something that'll motivate you to send my pkg already; i Would like my stuff to arrive by December :p and no fair cheating by sending airmail either, cuz I AIN'T PAYIN FOR THAT :p ) btw, you Still haven't answered my commpack question (aug 24 post above) Or whether you want air or seamail. re whether you want the mm neimodian figures, too late- you left that one without an answer too long, so i gave em to b'jr :p
gsj: similarly, your package is also ready to ship except for awaiting-completion mixtape :rolleyes: your current total is $25 plus whatever xtra sfmms you're trading me (no hurry on those, feel free to continue to amass & send all at once later :) your current contents are:
-b5 #s 3 & 5 mm 3pax
-9 o-o-p b5 singles from mm 3-pax 1, 2 & 4
-o-o-p queenship mm
-dc snowspeeder
-mixtape :)
also, until i hear otherwise i will assume our FOUR-way "grif deal" is a go. to recap:
-gsj sends bp/awings to grif;
-grif sent $$ to me;
-i gave alpha xtras to b'jr;
-and b'jr turns over abovementioned b5 singles to gsj :)
meanwhile, i will send out grif's awing same time as i mail swaffy's, sometime in next coupla days :)

LAST CALL ON FOLLOWING CON-BAGGED ITEMS- claim em asap or they're b'jr's:
-$5 minmp af tf droid control ship
-$6 o-o-p dc sithinf
-$2 o-o-p dc repcruiser
-$2 maquis quiksnap model (if he wants, bc3 may have this gratis since i kinda owe him :) )
vt
np: carly, "i'm so vain"

good shot jansen
09-05-2001, 03:41 PM
i'm still in euphoric shock over the bab 5 fleet that will be wingin' it's way in my direction! :D

grif's package got mailed to him today. as of his last communicae, he was a go on my substitution's to cover the green a-wing.

how do i only owe ya $25.00? if i recall, bab 5 #3 was $5.00, bab 5 #5 was $25, and dc snowspeeder was $4.95 (or something like that)

any st mm's i send ya, i figure i owe ya anyway for my mix tape (i know ya didn't jes stick a bunch o cd's in the changer , and hit shuffle!)

anyway, confirm here the total, and i'll wing a paypally in your direction within the week. (i'm expectin a paypal reimbursement in this time frame from the uk lord of the rings collector for items i have procured on his behalf, lessen o' course he changes his mind and sends me the ep I sets 12 and 13 as i have suggested in lieu of cash:D :D :D )

r2dee2
09-05-2001, 05:09 PM
VT, if no one else claims the $6 o-o-p dc sithinf
and the -$2 o-o-p dc repcruiser, I'd love to have them:)!!

shinakuma43
09-06-2001, 01:14 AM
VT: If [$5 minmp af tf droid control ship] is still available, I need it loose. If you have it and if you haven't shipped out the package, you can open it up and ship it loose to save a slight bit on shipping and I'll paypal ya another 5.00. LMK.

Later,
S43

SWAFMAN
09-06-2001, 09:05 PM
I saw this on eBay & thought I'd share it with the group...

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1634975998

vulcantouch
09-07-2001, 08:42 PM
sure shinky, just palpay me another $5, sounds fine :) thanx for permission to remove it from pkg, in fact that Did help it fit :) and might another fs rendez be in our near future, r2? :)
as of today, swaffy's AFerengi, griffy's awing and shinky's multi-item pkg are on their way :)
gsj: i don't recall the specifics offhand, but i do recall that i felt like i'd finally evened the score only when i'd gotten you the dc snowspeeder, so that & all that came before it don't count, so confirmed total is $25 :)
use the shuffle function? how uncivilized That would be :p
vt
np: mazzy, "ride it on"

r2dee2
09-07-2001, 09:01 PM
When is your next Fourth Story Foray, VT? I'm actually planning on being at the Tattered Cover tomorrow with my hubby, but know that is not your usual visitation time.

I have a feeling it's on the 13th, right? If so I doubt if I can make it up there in time, but I might give it a try :)

shinakuma43
09-08-2001, 02:48 AM
Great, thanks very much VT. The paypal payment will be sent momentarily. I'm very happy to get the Droid Control Ship out of the way. I have all the EP1 AFs boxed, but I still need the Gungan Sub, Flash Speeder, Alpha Droid Fighter, and all the Playsets loose. Thanks to you I no longer need the loose Droid Control Ship. If you see any of the others above loose or boxed at good prices please do grab them for me.

Thanks again,
S43

SWAFMAN
09-08-2001, 11:32 AM
VT - Paypal has been completed for the Ferengi ship.

Sorry the attached wav files aren't working for you. They are sorta my equivalent of your "np" additions, but severely limited due to the attached file size constraints. That just makes it more challenging though. Fortunately, I have a lot of wavs... ;)

jeddah
09-09-2001, 07:49 AM
Hi all,

R2 thanks for the privee, I couldn't take advantage and engage him in discussions about R5 as cash is too tight for the next few months. Thanks so much for your help :)X

VT, thanks for taking charge of the cap, and the black astromech. I have no intention of using SWAF-o-post or GSJ-Mail so the shipping costs will be the cheapest - I'm not into throwing my nuggets away either - even if I have just paid £19.99 for a Hellraiser lament configuration box (it is cool tho')..... ;)

Anyway, I'm off to locate the dispatch threads & emails to find out what I'm sending where; yes you'll be pleased to find that I am packing the stuff up today; I don't want to cart that stuff to our new house just to send it on.

jeddah

vulcantouch
09-09-2001, 12:03 PM
indeed jdah, your news Does pleeez :D meanwhile, i'll assume from your cryptic-as-usual reply that:
-you want me to use surface shipping, and;
-you don't want neimodian mm figures, and;
-it's ok w/you if i examine your k3 commpack ;)
r2: yep, i'm afraid i was otherwise engaged yesterday, attending the Headache-Loud wedding reception of some Distant relative i never knew i had; to make matters worse, at the ceremony "endless love" was sung, during which i could feel my blood congeal into sickeningly-sweet syrup :p (do walkman hedphones clash w/formalwear? maybe i should ask the secret service- or agent smith from Matrix ;) ) on the plus side, it was held in a fascinating, VaulTed, modernist pre-cast-concrete worshiphaus embedded w/abstract stained glass strips; also, my unerring fashion instinct correctly predicted that the color d'jour would be VioleT- i'd happened to pick out a purple silk shoit ;) i don't spose hubby could make this thursday? :\
re this thursday: ordinarily it Would be my tea day, but at the moment it's up in the air cuz, once every spring & fall, when the aft temps are Just right, i make an exception to my schedule and do the tea thing at some yet-to-be-determined outdoor venue instead. otherwise, i feel silly & restless up there in that hermetic perch when i could be outside amongst the perfection ;) current forecast is an on-target 75f, but if the day turns out differently (hotter or colder), i can be counted on to stick to my usual :) otherwise, no problemo, i'm sure a convenient time'll fall into our laps, i'm in no hurry if you ain't :)
vt
np: the part in barry's Man W/Golden Gun score where moore & sheriff jw pepper jump the loop-D-loop ;)

jeddah
09-09-2001, 12:43 PM
....if you want to ruin my childish joys at being the first to open ;)

as far as the Neimoidians, thanks but no thanks. things'll be different if they bring out a Lot Dodd 3.75" er tho' :)

and yes, cheapest shipping please.........

(whaddaya mean cryptic? You don't like cryptic? In any case I had just larfed reading your beratement of GSJ for his mailing choices in another thread and it tickled me so much I thought I'd include it...;) )

jeddah

vulcantouch
09-09-2001, 12:54 PM
who sez i didn't Like cryptic? ;)
roger on the cheapest shipping, that's a good lass, learned yer lesson have ye ;)

jeddah
09-09-2001, 02:37 PM
bu**er off ya cheeky swine :p

good shot jansen
09-11-2001, 07:26 AM
it was my nephew's weddin' day, and the just married couple's 1st dance was .............................................endle ss love :rolleyes: (sheeesh, all those years of trying to git jeff to appreciate the subtle sounds of the new yawk dolls down the drain!), i share the same sentiments with you vt, on that bane of a song.

as fer the amount i owe's ya, i'll have to take your woid on it. i thought we wuz square before the dc speeder, but that' ok, i hope to be sendin' you some st stuff in the near futcha' to more than take care of it as far as i'm conceoined! :)

and speakin' o' shipments, yous gonna let jeddah ship sumthing direct to you, without it having to make wayward stops to pick up micro stragglers along da way? :confused:

the next thing ya know, you'll be allowing dese things to come to ya by means o' flying machines! :eek:

SWAFMAN
09-11-2001, 05:19 PM
VT, just a quick note to say I received the ferengi ship in perfect condition today. Thanks much. Back to CNN.

vulcantouch
09-13-2001, 12:12 AM
. . . now that you got all five, i imagine all the SWAF-HUGGIN BABIES here'll hope to see a strkeforce critique from you shortly ;)
r2: in case it helps, so far it looks like this thursday's a go.
not just cuz the weather won't be ideal, but also cuz i think it's important to stick to Some routines this week :) i'll try to remember to bring dcs in case you show, no sweat if you don't, we'll hook up another time :) but if you do show tomorrow, you can gimme a nice smack on behalf of everyone here for my "going to war" thred jokes :eek:
gsj: stragglers? ?como? ;) if you mean can jdah ship stuff to me for forwarding onto you, ok by me :)
jdah: all i did was slit the section of bubble that held the commpack, took it out, examined it & put it back, no problemo ;) so, as southpark's saddam hussein to said to baal: "hey u need 2 relax, guy" :D
vt

vulcantouch
10-04-2001, 11:55 PM
"yous gonna let jeddah ship sumthing direct to you, without it having to make wayward stops to pick up micro stragglers along da way? the next thing ya know, you'll be allowing dese things to come to ya by means o' flying machines!"
-whaaaa?? i'm afraid you lostededed me :\ anyhoo, i'll try to expedite yer mixtape now that weather's turnin colder, if i remember correctly it's the only thing holding up yer pkg so far. speaking of which: i'm gonna use the box you last sent me, which was the last one i sent you (w/louise nevelson stamps, remember?). i wonder, is this box gonna become like the decades-long practical joke that went on between grace kelly and her Swan co-star alec guiness? (every few years, one or the other would arrange to have the same toy tomohawk placed under the pillow in whatever hotel the other happened to be staying at the time. strikes me as a very british sense of humor, no? ;) )
report
not much, but: out on a run, b'jr & i came across a complete galaxy death star/vader med chamber he took a liking to. i told him to hold off cuz i could find it cheaper; a few days later i got it for $2 :)
in a thrift store i found a chewed-up alpha tyderium in a bag of random toys. didn't buy it or anything just mentioning cuz i never before came across an alpha in such a context.
finally, at a yard sale i got the first two novels of "the bounty hunter wars (Mandalorian Armor (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0553578855/qid=1002257489/sr=2-1/ref=sr_8_3_1/102-6142578-4329721) and Slave Ship (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/055357888X/ref=pd_sim_books/102-6142578-4329721)) for $.50 each :) i'm kinda eager to get into em, but i think i'll wait til i can score the third (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/055357891X/ref=pd_sim_books/102-6142578-4329721) under similar terms. i got plenty of other books to read in the meantime, incl. the Dominion War books 2 (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0671024973/qid=1002257593/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_6_2/102-6142578-4329721) & 4 (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0671024981/qid=1002257593/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_6_1/102-6142578-4329721) and of course the DS9 Companion (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0671501062/qid%3D1002257663/ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F0%5F1/102-6142578-4329721) :)
btw r2, so far i'm on for next thursday if that's any good for you (especially if temp's anything like 2day; glad i sunned myself while i could ;) ) ; you bring your cam (again) & i'll bring yer diecasts & my best "zoolander" pose ;)
vt
np: billy paul, "me & mrs. jones" :eek: ;)

vulcantouch
10-10-2001, 11:03 PM
thanx to ssg news reports, i knew enough to stopped by walmart 2day, & bagged duros on sale for $5 :) they also had shmi, ketwol, bespgaurd, sabe etc. anyhoo i've already put his gun in 300fett's holster (upside down, so it looks like a commlink or grenade), and given duros one of the honker guns that came with a jawa that came with my gonk :) duros & barquin are so far the only 2 organic aliens i've deigned to add to my figure collection.
at tc i also found Writings On Glass; Essays, Interviews & Criticism for $3 (and i hand't even known this existed!) and Knowing The Score (about filmmusic) for $3 too :)
speaking of tc, r2: haven't heard back from u about metting there tomorrow, so i hope i don't upset any intention by saying tomorrow's kinda up in the air (it might be Just warm enough to take tea outside, in which case i'd opt for any of a dozen venues offering that instead). if you'd planned on coming up though, lmk (post here by tomorrow morning) & i'll lock fs in :)
vt
np: maw, 'buff dance' (http://cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=50884839/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/album.html/ArtistID=VA-MASTERS+AT+WORK+ALBUM/ITEMID=21894)

r2dee2
10-11-2001, 08:40 AM
VT, you didn't get my private email? I am planning on making the meeting this afternoon at SpaceDock...camera in hand:)

vulcantouch
10-12-2001, 10:40 AM
report
before meeting r2 at fs, i found me a hardcover uk edition of the SE Empire script (with Lotsa great flikpix) downstairs at tc for olny $11 :D meanwhile, upstairs fs was participating in that "dine out to help out" thing they had goin for 9-11's 1-month anniversary. imagine that: vt, Patriot- just fer sittin on his can & stuffin his face :p
can i just have a simple meeting w/r2? oh NOOOO. once again she ambush-bests me; here i think i'm gonna simply remand some diecasts to her, but instead she also gots things 4me :) claiming to be prunin her stash, she turns over 2me gratis a box of ent-d blueprints (http://s1.amazon.com/exec/varzea/glance-browse/Y04Y3236360Y1480020/ix=fixed-price&rank=%2Ditm&fqp=org-unit-id%014%02site-org-unit-id%014%02status%01open%02title%01star%20trek%20blu eprints&sz=50&pg=1/9/41/qid=1002900211/ZS=1-9/107-6195264-8067767) which look mucho cool :) i've been thinkin though: with r2's blessing, if anyone here wants these, say so, and after i get a chance to look thru em for myself, i'll send em to you for shipping cost (bookrate oughta keep it under $2 domestic :) ). first come first served :)
she also gave me a coupla applause mm-type danglers she got from helping out ssg at alphacon; y-wing and isd which, in case you aren't familiar, are kinda like sculpt variants of the mms :) hmm, i gots me aNOTHER idear: didn't gsj say the applause droid fighter dangler has separated wings? ok, again with r2's blessing, if anyone has one of those he wants to trade, i'll give him Both of these for it; otherwise i'll donate em to b'jr's collective :)
a nice, wide-ranging conversation about all you crazy bums, recent events etc. a gauzy, lenticulus-dappled sky and turning trees graced our visit, and we sat at table 50 this time instead of ten. we took pix so you'll be able to see for yourself; we Think they came out ok ;)
around 6, she left to browse downstairs before heading home (find anythin good? :) ); i stayed till ~6:20 to catch the sunset :cool: thanx again r2, enjoyable as always-
vt
np: stevie wonder, "golden lady"

good shot jansen
10-12-2001, 10:51 AM
Originally posted by vulcantouch
didn't gsj say the applause droid fighter dangler has separated wings?

actually it was the hallmark keepsake. mason showed no interest in either the droid fighter or naboo fighter which came with the set (he does however, love the droid control set, and as such, has entered regular play rotation).

as for his disinterest in the above mentioned ships, i was gonna include em in my package to you vt, as a sort of unannounced special bonus (now since i've announced it, i may have to come up with something else!) :)

soooooo no trade necesarry!

vulcantouch
10-12-2001, 10:59 AM
i forGOT about that!!! :o in that case gsj, wanna do me another flavor? axe mason if he'd like to trade me that control ship for the danglers. not only that, "i'll even throw in a couple crullers" (rene "pabst" auberjonois to armin "herbert ross" shimerman, ds9's "far beyond the stars" ;) ), by which i mean, axe him what other lil dealies he might want & i'll see what i can scare up :) blueprints maybe? like father like father's father like father's father's father like son? :D
vt
np: "manhattan skyline" (i shid you not) from david shire's Saturday Night Fever score

good shot jansen
10-12-2001, 11:10 AM
not gonna happen.

tell you what though, i'll stop in at my local hallmark shoppe this weekend, and if they got anymore, ill pick one up fer ya, and b'jr too, or you could order em directly here (http://www.hallmark.com/hmk/Website/Shopping/sh_gift_sub.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@0571524181.100290 2898@@@@&BV_EngineID=fadccekdhimhbedcfchcgk.0&fromPage=/Website/Shopping/sh_gift_cat_inc.jsp&oid=-106541&catoid=-106528)

lmk

if i git em, they're $14.95 + 6% tax ($15.84) apiece.

vulcantouch
10-12-2001, 11:17 AM
-dukat to kira, "return to grace" :rolleyes:
ok, i'll lyk :) maybe it's for best; a "play rotation" ship likely wouldn't be mint :p it's mm-sized you say? plz confirm. meanwhile, anyone get a look at that defiant/voy/ent-e 3-pack? i wonder how they hold up in person???

good shot jansen
10-12-2001, 11:22 AM
my original postin's on the hallmark keepsakes (http://www.sirstevesguide.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=862)

the droid control ship is a perfect ( and i do mean perfect)mm substitute! and as i said prev. the cool thing about the keepsake, is that it is the ship with all the antennae(as opposed to the non-antennae version which was shown to be the mm one, if it was indeed actually ever made)

the naboo, and droid fighters are unfortunately a tad bit smaller.

the star trek ships are smaller than the mm's, and in my humble op. the only one which is detailed better than the mm's is the defiant.

they were out of the stra trek ornaments when i was there, and only had the store display ones left. if they still have those, i'll see if i can make a deal for ya (doubtful), butcha' never know until ya try!

vulcantouch
10-12-2001, 11:32 AM
i just forgot to take Note of it, idjut that i am :p musta had some other junk on my mind, which is odd cuz, for me, what else Is there besides mms? :rolleyes:
display ones you say? damn, it's good to have an intrepid, clevah bastid like you on mah side :cool:
np: karen young, 'hot shot' (xtended discomix) (http://cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=903300810/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/album.html/artistid=YOUNG*KAREN/itemid=139160)

r2dee2
10-12-2001, 01:22 PM
Thanks VT for another enjoyable time at the Fourth Story and for you patience as we tried to solve the world's problems;)

I added the pics from yesterday to my previous VTeatime page, they're near the bottom. HERE (http://fan.starwars.com/sabretoothcollection/tea.html)

The Applause danglers weren't from SSG, but as part of the registration packet at Alphacon (http://fan.starwars.com/AlphaForce/index.html) and I'd be happy for anyone who wants them to have them. As I said, I got them for "free" and was happy to share my extra:D You can see the Rebel Y-wing dangler in one of the pics at VTeatime. You can see a list of other danglers released at the
SW Collector's Bible (http://www.sandcrawler.com/SWB/applause.html)

Thank you VT for my opener die cast Sith Infiltrator and Republic Cruiser. When you asked me what wave they were in, I sure couldn't think at the time, but they are BOTH indeed from the second wave. DIE CAST LIST (http://fan.starwars.com/ListForce/files/DIECAST.htm)

VT, I'm sure I can add some comments on the latest VTeatime pics, should you so be inclined:D !

SWAFMAN
10-12-2001, 08:57 PM
R2 - great pics, as usual. The Y-wing "dangler" looks really cool. Did someone say there was also a Star Destroyer? If any of these are still around, I'd enjoy displaying them. Seeing your collection, I can't imagine anything I would have to trade, but lemme know if we can work something out??

VT - I was surprised to see this:
Whatcha doin' mister? (http://fan.starwars.com/_ksi0701961589109756/sabretoothcollection/files/tatvt_7aut_4806.jpg)

Still anticipating your comments on the tape.

Jeddah - I recv'd the Paypal. Thanks mucho!

I finally got around to trying out the cd burner and Easy CD Creator software on my system. I wish I'd tried it sooner, so's I coulda made CDs rather than cassettes.

VT - it looks like you prefer a cassette Walkman-type device vs. a Diskman. Is this correct, or is either media equally convenient for you? Also, remember that the last tape was a collection of music that holds significance to Me. I did not select the tracks based on any assumption of what You might like. All the same, I hope You liked at least some of it :(

BTW, IMHO, John Barry deserves recognition as one of the most gifted orchestral (is that the correct term?) composers of this era. And I would not have realized that were it not for your starting me on the path to seeking out and listening to his work.

Hey Jeddski - I know you said you were cassette-challenged, but have you been able to rustle up a player yet to give the tape a lissin'?

I'm itching to make a CD compilation next, so if you'd like one, please lemme know.

Best wishes to all for the safety and health of you and your loved ones....

vulcantouch
10-12-2001, 10:31 PM
i recall a sign in a barbershop i used to patronize: "all problems could be solved if only barbers and cabdrivers were put in charge of the world (i.e., those with a rep for havin all the answers & talkin the ears off any captive audience ;) )"
speakin of barbers, it seems "shave & a haircut" would be a good "np" for me right about now (actually, this aft i finally did; it's been about 7 months ;) )
i LURRRRVE how our pix came out, r2; captured the occasion real nice-like :D captions'll be forthcoming next chance i get :)

"Whatcha doin' mister?"
-oh, me & r2're just havin a bit of inside fun: you see, last time & this time, for some reason every pic we took that included your swaffolder failed to come out (overexposed, camjiggle). we concluded your folder must have some kinda mojo in it, so while she shot that pic i was tryin to get a peek at the mojo, since it only seems to manifest itself when the shutter snaps. cool ghost story just in time for halloweenie eh? :eek:
i use all 3 formats (cd, lp, cass) as sources, but Listen mainly to mixtapes derived from same, especially when i'm mobile. as i was tellin r2 yesterday, it'd take me forever to switch formats. i've got dozens of walkmans and hundreds of mixtapes; as much as i have invested in cassformat, i've yet to be confronted with a good enough reason to jump ship. but more importantly, to convert to disc would/will be a months-long process, one i can't be bothered with presently. b'jr likes my repertoire and keeps tryina bribe me with a free minidisc deck & blanks if i'll just fill some for him. but i say unto him, "can deees. . . 'minideesk' of yours catch dee sunsets i'll miss if i accept your offer?? NO! such is mango! you Can't Hava Da Mango! (airkiss trailed by insouciant buttslap)" :p
a note about that pictured player: it's a cheapazz craig (found used for $2 the day before) that doesn't even have rewind :rolleyes: but i was using it because it ironcially had more suitable sound for the 70's hits i'm currently playin than the costlier sony i'd been using. not only that, just like the sony it was also that yellow color (vulgar & loud most of the year, but Perfectly fashionable in Fahl, Dahling :) )

"orchestral (is that the correct term?)"
-who knows, but i know what you mean :cool: really diggin jb are ya? what more've you heard of his besides what i sent? r2 likes him too :)

"I did not select the tracks based on any assumption of what You might like"
-smart move ;) cuz unless you're tryin to seduce someone ( :eek: ), a mixtape's best aim is the conveyance of personal sensibility, which yields a much richer payoff and, much to my gratitude, was the choice you made :cool:

"All the same, I hope You liked at least some of it"
-of course i did; you worry too much ;) happily, the right "Vibe-Time" to listen to yer tape has come around several times, so i've given it a few passes to allow it to soak in. i've got a few prelim reactions, & will probably endeavor to share same in real-time as you did this spring- seems like a good way to prompt the flow :)
meanwhile, did you say both danglers for a betty? or maybe some hallmark trekships or control donut?? SOLD :) ok, i'll reserve em for you; anything else you seek offhand while i'm at it?
duz swaffy wanna dangler? DUZZY SWAFFY WANNA DANGLEE? jump boy, jump for the dangler, good dog ;)
(danglers? overexposure? jiggle? mango? what Exactly are we talkin about again?? :o )
btw, recognize the droid fighter? it's the one you had etoys send me a year ago :D
vt
np: stevie, "superwoman"

JediTricks
10-13-2001, 12:27 PM
I didn't notice if anybody had claimed them, but I'd really like those Ent-D blueprints for shipping cost.

vulcantouch
10-13-2001, 06:37 PM
can't think of anyone i'd rather have em :cool: i promise to not jack em up too much when i look thru em :eek:
i just noticed: you can see the $1.95 dav pricetag on my cheapazz walkman (http://fan.starwars.com/sabretoothcollection/files/tatmm_7aut_4804.jpg) :p a la wookiee scalps, i often keep the pricetags attached (or just let em wear off on their own), as braggin-proof of bargain-baggin skill :cool: (note: does not apply to clothing- or did you think i was minnie pearl? :p )
report
short & sweet: after havin breakfast at Sunflower in boulder this mornin, b'jr & i hit the target up there & found him one of them $28-reduced potj bwings w/sullustian pilot (which he hates, so if tokyo joe don't want it i'm gonna try to trade it for him :) now i'm jealous, cuz my VinTage b-wing, which i'd bought at a thrift store for $1, is missing wings & canopy. i also envy this new one's superior paintjob. BUT, it ain't like it matters enough to me to pay $30 for my own, so i'll just lookit his :p
vt
np: lil' stevie wonder, "if you really love me"

SWAFMAN
10-14-2001, 11:45 AM
VT - I looked at kaybee, my local biglots & a biglots about 80 miles away (happened upon it on the way back from a day trip to Gettysburg yesterday - climbed around the Devil's Den - See It Now (http://www.knic.com/DevilDen.htm) - for a few hours) and so far, no joy of the betty kind is to be had. But I will definitely keep searching. Since there were shelvers last season, i'm thinking maybe this season they'll hit those big wire bargain bins out front in the kaybees, maybe/hopefully. Will also look for the Hallmark keepsakes. I do have a Klingon Bird, but it is staying here. I enjoy seeing my son place it on the tree and give it "1st light."

vulcantouch
10-14-2001, 12:58 PM
. . .i think personally i'd rather hang at nyc's knickerbocker Club for a spell- is it still around? ;)
btw, re jb u might be interested in this (http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/Forum1/HTML/000933.html) :)
no worries, the mallhark bop ain't a priority on this end anyway, just that voy/def/ent-e 3-pak gsj posted a link to above :) i'll hold the danglees 4u, keep an eye out for add'l ones, & send em eVenTually :rolleyes:
re mixtapes and "now playins", let's hear what you guys think of this analysis:
from what i've discerned of our musical tastes, i'd say gsj's emphasizes passion & renewal of authenticity (punk etc), while swaffy's emphasizes craft (lotta adept guitar-solo noodlins etc).
rather than skill of execution like swaffy, what generally attracts me first & foremost is sensibility (like you couldn't tell that from my reckless peckins ;) "i'm an Idea man, i can't be bothered with Details!" -q, TNG :) ), particularly extremes of conceptual austerity & sumptuous hedonism. on the other hand i do share swaffy's embrace of instrumentals.
and ironically, while it is gsj who's exhilarated by "anarchy", it is I who grooves on a mechanistic, rigorous Architecture in alotta my music (howse, glass etc) :)
meanwhile, jdah just gots no damn taste at all, lissenin to anythin flygirls can grindbump to :p (sowwy, just VenTing plazma cuz jdah apparently Still hasn't launched my Happypackage :( )
r2: i think diecast seller also had o-o-p dc sebulbapod too, but i didn't know it was wave2. maybe i'll get it next time if it's there, in case anyone interested :)
vt
my np for gsj: police, "when the world is runnin down you make the best of what's still around"
my np for swaffy: david sanchez, 'los cronopios' (http://cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=383309352/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/album.html/artistid=SANCHEZ*DAVID/itemid=372725)
my np for jdah: lisa lisa, 'let the beat hit em' (http://cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=383309352/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/album.html/ArtistID=VA-DANCE+MIX+U.S.A./ITEMID=378033)
my np for me: nicola conte, 'bossa per due' (http://cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=383309352/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/album.html/ArtistID=CONTE*NICOLA/ITEMID=1385790) :)

good shot jansen
10-15-2001, 06:58 AM
unfortunately you np'd me in your closing with the police.:mad:

never did like them stuck up uppercrusters much. i recall a thought back from 79' when the police and van halen were both makin' there mark on the scene. on the one side you had all your long hair, harley boot wearen' thugs, stickin' they're pinky's and indexes up in the air screamin' rock and roll, when david and the boys hit the charts. (always annoyed me to no end that we share the same middle and last names):mad: (are you david's brother? i gots all the time) :rolleyes: , whilst on the other side of the coin, you had all these upper eastsider, brooks brothers preppy types, tawkin' endlessly about the musical virtuosity of stings fling, and how this was the natural progression of neanderthal punk and proof of the musical superiority of new wave (give me no wave anyday of the week) :p .

meanwhile, vh folk, wouldn't give fans of the pig the time o' day, and vicey vercey....me? i lumped em' both together into the same resounding yeeeecccccchhhhh! ( i was actually at a kinks concert in 79' in portland or. and when they began the opening chords to you really got me, a loud mouthed knucklehead behind actually jumped on his chair and let out a whoop sceam and shouted "yeah! van halen rocks!".......sheeeeesh) :rolleyes:

anyway, when i get home, i'm poppin' lou reed, iggy pop, richard hell, lydia lunch, and patti smith into the 5 disc changer, hittin' shuffle, and begin chantin' "serenity now" to restore my calm!

the last album gsj was listening to

a wake - john wesley harding

gsj's favortie album so far of the new millenium

when the dawn.......... - fiona apple

gsj's 5 greatest albums of all time

5 - sign o' the times - prince
4 - who's next - the ooh ( ;) )
3 - rust never sleeps - neil young
2 - new york - lou reed
1 - exile on main street - the rolling stones

gsj's favorite song of all time

ball of confusion - the temptations

good shot jansen
10-15-2001, 09:36 AM
i just used "buy it now" to acquire bab 5 set 6 for $30.00, thus completing my collection of bab 5 micros.

some might say that i paid a tad much for that one set, but when you combine it with the 1st 5 sets bagged fer me by none other than mr. touch himself for $25.00 smackers for the kit-in-kaboodle, i end up paying just about srp for the entire lot.

my thanx, kudos, and extreme appreciation to VT, who by snaggin' me the 1st 5 for that amazin' amount, afforded me the opportunity to be flexible with the amount required to complete the set!

i was unable to git over to hallmark this weekend, so i was not able to pose a wheel-n-deel for the display st set. i will try and stop over there today, before headin' home to the misses an chillin.

should i now start to work on alien and star ship trooper?

np: search and destroy - iggy pop

SWAFMAN
10-15-2001, 08:51 PM
...but first a non-re: that still caught my eye today...
--- Jedi Knights Prove to Be 'A Force' To Be Reckon With ---

LONDON - More that 10,000 Brits have decided to "Use the
Force" to pray to their higher power. An e-mail campaign
convinced more than 10,000 fans of the enduring science-
fiction films to list Jedi as their religion on Britain's
2001 census. Apparently that was enough for the Office
for National Statistics (ONS) because the grouping of Jedi
was given its own code and will appear in the 2002 census.
A spokesman for ONS explained that all data is encoded
because a large group of people have entered it on their
forms, but doesn't mean that Jedi has become an official
religion.

now, to the re:'s...

VT - re: "what more've you heard of his besides what i sent?"
--Been d/l'ing via music servers. Other than some miscellaneous tracks (too lazy to type out all the names), the only complete album I was able to glom was 'Across the Sea of Time.'

VT - re: "recognize the droid fighter? it's the one you had etoys send me a year ago "
--It does look snazzy in line w/ such good company in the pic.

VT - re: "re devil's den: rather than playin "kirk vs gorn" w/them knickerbocker bruddahs"
--Kirk vs. Gorn was filmed at Vasquez Rocks - right off of I-5 north of Los Angeles going toward Magic Mountain amusement park - me & a few buds used to spend many a hot afternoon climbing around there in wonderfully altered states, often re-enacting the chases and fighting from that episode.

VT - re: :re jb u might be interested in this"
--Thanks! That will give me a lot more specific names to search for on the ol' music servers.

VT - re: "my np for swaffy: david sanchez, 'los cronopios'"
--Verrrry MilesDavis-y I like it, I like it....

VT - re: "i'd say gsj's emphasizes passion & renewal of authenticity (punk etc), while swaffy's emphasizes craft (lotta adept guitar-solo noodlins etc)."
--That is as good a take on how my musical tastes run as any I've said myself.
(sure would like to hear GSJ's tape now that I've read VT's teaser)

GSJ - re: "i was actually at a kinks concert in 79' in portland or. and when they began the opening chords to you really got me"
--My fave version of 'You Really Got Me' is by 801 (Phil Manzanera, Brian Eno, et al..) Have you heard it?? The whole album '801 Live!' is great. & speaking of punk (as VT was in reference to GSJ's tape), I do believe I included 'Third Uncle' on the mixtape I sent to VT & Jeddah. As mentioned in the liner notes, I thought it, as well as a blistering version of 'Baby's on Fire,' was one of the real precursors to the emerging punk genre. BTW - I am very envious that you got to see the Kinks!!!!

GSJ- re: "a loud mouthed knucklehead behind actually jumped on his chair and let out a whoop sceam and shouted "yeah! van halen rocks!".......sheeeeesh)"
--Well, I can say that Van Halen DID rock, at least IMO, and the 'O' of everyone else at the venues and in the years I saw them. Back in around '79 - '80, VH played my high school quad at lunch hour one afternoon, when they were still basically an unknown garage band ('cept those boys never had to play in no garage - they was from a very nice Pasadena neighborhood). Eddie was sweet on a piece of pie who went to my school, and she talked them into playing. About a year later, I saw them absolutely blow the roof off of a West LA club called the Starwood (run by the nefarious Eddie Nash of 'The Laurel Canyon Murders' fame - which, for you porntrivia buffs, resulted in John Holmes going to, and dying in, jail), right about the time they were signed to their first major recording contract. Eddie (VH, not Nash!) was freakin' thermonuclear that night, and David made Geddy Lee sound like a baritone with his ear-bleedin' hi-pitched screamin'. Ah... good times. The Starwood was on Santa Monica Blvd, but gave the legendary Sunset Strip clubs (Whisky-a-go-go, Rainbow, Roxy) a real run for their money for a few years, favoring up-'n-coming bands to the more established names.

GSJ - re: "vh folk, wouldn't give fans of the pig the time o' day"
--Yeah, sorta, I guess. Early Police (1980'ish) was okay, if nothing else, for crossing over the reggae sound to some folks who still wouldn't know what it was were it not for Stink, et al. I always did find him too pretentious, even back then.

GSJ - re: "gsj's 5 greatest albums of all time"
--PRINCE?!?!?!?!?! This must be some appreciation that comes from you sharing his experience in making music vs. my only listening to/appreciating music. For the life of me, I just cannot understand the appeal - tho' I know it is widespread - of this guy.

GSJ, we GOTS to visit in person some time. I would enjoy the heck outta hearing all about your experiences. Hell, if it weren't for the saved ticket stubs, I wouldn't even remember going to a few of the concerts I went to in the 70's & early 80's. But there were some awesome ones. Breakfast with the Grateful Dead at Glen Helen regional park in San Bernardino - aka 'the us festival' - and yes, I did catch valley fever, The Flaming Groovies at the Whisky, Urgh Wars at the Santa Monica Civic. The Stones at Anahiem Stadium with the Outlaws opening (remember when they'd ALL pick up guitars and stand at the front of the stage and wail for about 15 minutes, then go back to their usual instruments?), Stones Tattoo You tour at the Coliseum with the WORST concert billing in the history of music!!! - Prince and George Thorogood opening. Prince comes out first all cooing and effeminite-like, and after about one song, the 100,000 (yes, 100,000) bikers and other hardrockers start boo'ing & those close enough to the stage are chucking these sorta milk carton-like huge cups of coca-cola at him - he left the stage after playing less than ten minutes. Then Lonesome George came out and just about stole the show from the Stones. By contrast, these same fans were later throwing roses, joints and whole baggies of dope TO - not AT - Mick, Keith, Bill, Ron, and Charlie.

It is about now that I remind our esteemed moderators that I did mention MicroMachine droid fighters up in the 2nd "re:" :D :D

okay, good night.

vulcantouch
10-15-2001, 11:56 PM
gsj: "i end up paying just about srp for the entire lot"
-i spose, if you Don't count all the nice things you'd previously offered in trade for b'jr's nine b5 xtras, that is ;)
actually, $30's damm good by current market prices! set six rocks :cool:

"should i now start to work on alien and star ship trooper?"
-you've seen the pix; judge for yourself :) and since bc3's got xtras of all of em who knows- with the right armtwistin maybe you can even get em All via him in one fell swoop! (not that i'd know from experience :p )

"never did like them stuck up uppercrusters much"
-yeah, i don't imagine that stuck-up uppercrusters would be a punker's fave; i just liked the live-in-the-moment (one of the few things i have i common w/punk) timeliness of the title :) i agree that police fans are more insufferable than vh fans (lmk when you've seen High Fidelity :D ), but doncha like invisible sun or omegaman (http://cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=254414569/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/album.html/artistid=POLICE/itemid=320889)? them're smokin, blade-runnery tunes :cool:

"the musical superiority of new wave (give me no wave anyday of the week"
-superiority? them myewzgeeks're tawkin Superiority?? new wave music ain't about superior, it's about Fun :p
ok, it's settled- i'll be sure to slather your tape w/dolby, robert gorl, human league, heaven 17, devo, duran, b52s etc etc (j/k :p )

swaffy: yeah, r2 was mentioning the jeddah religion over tea last week (guess that's why we haven't heard from u-know-who :( )

"does look snazzy in line"
-yeah, yummy enough to eat, eh? (haven't had That dream in a while, thankfully :o )

"would like to hear GSJ's tape"
-what tape?? gsj made a tape? no one told meee :( actually i'm just goin by his np's and cited tastes :)

"Van Halen DID rock"
-yeah, i'll admit to enjoyin em for a few minutes in the early 80's ;) haven't felt much urge to hear em since though, which is the real puddin'-proof imo :cool:

". . .Geddy Lee. . . "
-eeewwww! someone mentioned his name! quick, where's the disinfectant? :p better stockpile some anti-reo speedwagon and supertramp spray while we're at it :p:p:p

"Urgh Wars at the Santa Monica Civic"
-i saw the movie, does that count? :p
i agree w/swaffy- prince is a poopy ponce ;)
vt
np: sakamoto w/iggy pop, 'risky' (http://cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=254414569/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/album.html/ArtistID=SAKAMOTO*RYUICHI/ITEMID=317845)

good shot jansen
10-16-2001, 07:26 AM
vt - btw, it's spelled "chilluns"
down comes the ruler...............smack......yeow!

swafman - My fave version of 'You Really Got Me' is by 801
i do have the album, being a roxy music fan, manzanera always interests me. although i do like the sparse piano used up front on this version (ala iggy on i wanna be your dog), i still go back to 1964 when i want to to be satisfied by the song!

swafman - Well, I can say that Van Halen DID rock, at least IMO, and the 'O' of everyone else at the venues and in the years I saw them
now who's envious of who?, you apparently grew up in west coast rock central, while my muzacal tastes were being shaped by the nyc scene, yours were being carved outta la bedrock! i ahve to admit, that prolly the main reason why i never jumped on the vh bandwagon (other than hating mr. roth's voice), is that by the time i even knew they existed, they was soooooo popular, and of course being the punk i was, anything mainstream was bad, so in all fairness, i have to plead guilty that i never even gave em a chance. i might have given em a whirl, after they dropped roth, but my dislike for the red rocker ran even deeper. lookin back, given the choice between nyc and la, you guys seemed to be havin' a lot more fun on the left coast! nyc was angry mean drunks and change all around, while you guys were gettin fun drunk and havin a good time!

swafman - PRINCE?!?!?!?!?!
vt - prince is a poopy ponce
sign o' the times is great record, from start to finish. no matter what the purple one did before or after (which all of it i do like), sign 'o the times is still fresh today 15 years later.

swafman - Stones Tattoo You tour at the Coliseum
i remeber readin' bout this show in rolling stone, kieth was livid in his denouncement of prince. my take on it, was that who the fudge did this this skinny lil punk think he was, actin' all girly like at a stones show? that's mick's job! :p i got a big kick outta that!

vt- better stockpile some anti-supertramp spray while we're at it
hey! i like crime of the century!

swafman - sure would like to hear GSJ's tape
vt - what tape?? gsj made a tape?
duely noted, one will be in the werkz momentarily!

vt - (regarding sst) and since bc3's got xtras of all of em who knows
can we werk sumthin' out red? ;)

vt - actually, $30's damm good by current market prices! set six rocks
oh baby! can't wait to get it!

np: kiki dee - i got the music in me

JediTricks
10-16-2001, 10:59 AM
Originally posted by SWAFMAN
VT - re: "re devil's den: rather than playin "kirk vs gorn" w/them knickerbocker bruddahs"
--Kirk vs. Gorn was filmed at Vasquez Rocks - right off of I-5 north of Los Angeles going toward Magic Mountain amusement park - me & a few buds used to spend many a hot afternoon climbing around there in wonderfully altered states, often re-enacting the chases and fighting from that episode.So it was you who spraypainted "Action Fleet Roolz!" up on the rocks, I knew it! ;) Last time I saw Vasquez Rocks (http://aeve.com/digitaldesert/vasquezrocks/index.html), they were quite a bit more green than in the Trek days, but VERY recognizable.

As for the rest of this music talk, I have little to add really, but I remember back when the Santa Monica Civic was an actual venue of virtue, the last thing I saw there was my sister's high school choir recital, and before that was "taste of LA", not exactly an impressive array of shows, though the choir thing did have a packed house. ;)

vulcantouch
10-16-2001, 11:20 AM
-what? you mean you just sit there online withOUT music goin? what'd you do to deserve That pyoonishment? :(
lmk if/when you get r2's blessing to give you blueprints :)

gsj: "by the time i even knew they existed, they was soooooo popular, and of course being the punk i was, anything mainstream was bad, so in all fairness. . ."
-what's fair got 2do w/it? the size of an artist's following is often a Great inverse indicator of how crappy he is :D

"sign 'o the times is still fresh today"
-yeah- like a freshly-"shatnered" dog turd baking on vasquez rocks :p

"hey! i like crime of the century!"
-in that case, i spose you also want these old foreigner and journey albums i found in a dumpster :p it seems you're more in need of anitdote than i feared, so i'll be sure to also enclose some ultravox, abc, berlin, missing persons & new order :) what's "no wave" again? :confused:

"one will be in the werkz momentarily"
-aren't i already indebted to you? :) wait, i just realized: that means i'll need to cough up Another critique ;) ("to those who think it's so easy to be a critic and so hard to be a poet, may i suggest you try both? you may learn why there are so many poets, so few critics" -kael ;) )
vt
np: elton/kiki, "don't go breakin"

good shot jansen
10-16-2001, 12:57 PM
-in that case, i spose you also want these old foreigner and journey albums i found in a dumpster
nope, they're fine just as you found em' eeeeewwww

-what's "no wave" again?
back in 79' i wuz drummer fer a band called drowning, we had the monday night slot gig at the mud club. (monday was freebie night, and that's jes what they paid us too) basically we were a thrash band, very loud, very fast, the drums pretty much provided any melody:D , no one knew quite what to make of us, and in a review, someone pegged us as "no wave". i always liked that moniker.

the most notable thang about the band, was that it was fronted by none other than jean-michel basquiat. this was just before he was discuvahed by andy and the rest of the art world. we went to school together at city-as-school in brooklyn. i never understood the art world ferver over him, he was nothin' more than a graffitiist, but hey, as a kid, i didn't get rothko either;) as a side bar (like there's really a topic happening here anyway), back in the spring of 78', when jean's family had kicked him out for the umpteenth time, he basically crashed at my house fer a couple o' weeks (folks were a tad uneasy about it, but being liberal upper west siders, they beared it fer a while), he had left one of his many sketch books filled with his graffiti doodlin' behind. i put it in a closet, and remided him several times that it was at the apartment, and that he should pick it up. well time went on, he never picked it up, and of course i forgot about it. after he had been written up in the new york times magazine section in '81, and became the darlin' of the art world, i realized that the sketch book would prolly be worth something, and went back to my parents house to retrieve it, only to discover that at somepoint when i was away at school, my parents (just as all parents do), cleaned up all elements within my room, and of coursed chucked the "trash". sheesh!:rolleyes:

anyway, there's my "before they were stars" story

now where da heck wuz i?

heard from brit cit, and the sst's are mine! :D ;) :) i in turn, am going to wing whatever he wishes from my boxed af dupe collection!

berlin! i forgot all about em, or actually i should say her!(terri nunn) (now there's a rock kitten!) i love masquerade! gonna put it on when i git home!

SWAFMAN
10-16-2001, 08:06 PM
JT - re: "So it was you who spraypainted "Action Fleet Roolz!" up on the rocks"
--:D :D :D :D
I wish Action Fleet existed when I was that age. That woulda been great!

JT - re: "I remember back when the Santa Monica Civic was an actual venue of virtue"
-- I dunno about virtue, but it was a decent medium-sized hall. Acoustics weren't the greatest. In addition to Urgh Wars, I saw Tangerine Dream play there (I definitely remember seeing them once, but, um, maybe twice?) , and -please don't laugh or tease- Triumph. I know, I know, they were God-awful, but the tix were free and the pies were sooooooooo chow-worthy!!!!!

np - 10cc: The Things We Do For Lust

vulcantouch
10-16-2001, 11:32 PM
as i was sayin, "np: elton/kiki, 'don't go breakin my heart with your Frightful taste in tunes'" :p;):p
hey i got an idea! let's all start a fund to raise money to help swaffy re-buy all them asia, aldo nova, quarterflash & loverboy albums his mama threw out when she Thought he grewd up ;)
i wish they'd release tandream's score to the '81 ken wahl b-flick The Soldier, it was the first tandream i ever heard & still dig it (gave it the ol hold-a-tape-mic-up-to-the-tv-speaker treatment :p ).
swaffy: i recall you sayin you made a Fourth copy of your mixtape & folio? if so, i know an ideal recipient for it, and his initials are g, s and j :confused:

"i never understood the art world ferver over him"
-simple: art critic rene ricard's line, as heard in Basquiat (http://us.imdb.com/Title?0115632): "there's never been a historically important black painter" ;) i kinda agree w/your assessment of him, but "nothin' more than a graffitiist"?? ex-cuh-YOOOUSE me? what makes you think think i won't Cut you ;P dincha ever see work by futura2000 or phaze1? :)
that overreverent film (not surprising in that it was directed by his pal julian schnabel) at least had fun turns by the always-fun michael wincott (aka captain of the betty (http://www.sirstevesguide.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=13196)) as ricard, and of course bowie, hilarious as warhol :D lotta good casting in fact, including an all-too-brief role by mah gal parkey poser as the kind of stuck-up elite babe she has a knack for :) seen this flick gsj? i'd love to hear how it jibes w/your personal impressions of j-mb. and have You seen High Fidelity swaffy??
speaking of betty, hey swaffy, i got an idea: it might help if we made this a three-way trade. i give you the danglers, someone else who can find the betty or wanted hallmarks (if you can't) sends to me, and then you send to that third party somethin comparable They want :) so, any of the resta ya want in?? what might you have to offer, swaffy? :D
hey gsj! i like to keep 1 each of the tailender packages (trek, b5, ep1), so if you don't want the pkg left over from your b5 #6, can i have? i forgot to hold onto this one when i got my set :( if so, plz open by pulling the bottom part of the bubble away from card; that way toys can be removed without removing bubble completely from card, thanks :)
btw, congrats on prying the ssts from bc3 ;) (but whattabout the aliens?? :eek: ) btw, i can find good homes for any xtras from them sets (bugs, soldiers) you don't want :D
vt
np: 10cc, "i'm not in love w/parky, so don't forget it" :)

good shot jansen
10-17-2001, 07:56 AM
a-ok on bab 5 #6 package! i will include that in the package that i will eventually send you.

i have yet to see basquiat, frankly had no interest. but since you've axed me to give my immpressions on the movie compared to my time in the real world with jean, i will rent and see.

as always, any unwanted or dupe mm's that stray across my field o' vision shall be directed denver way.

np: john wesley harding - the movie of your life

JediTricks
10-17-2001, 09:37 AM
My cd rom in my PC makes the system jerky when running the cd audio control software, and I don't have a lot of albums I like to listen to straight through in track order (only two I can think of are Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon and Beastie Boys' License to Ill), I've only got like 50-60 music CDs total though because I am not a huge music fan these days, thanks to overcommercialization and my impatience with new bands.

If I ever hear from R2, I'll let you know... LMK what you think of these blueprints too.


Yeah, I don't know what the story is with the awful acoustics of the SM civic auditorium, but I remember one time when I was a kid, my dad dragged me to some concert (we only lived a few blocks away, so we walked...) and I asked him why the music sounded best and clearest in the lobby. ;)

Free tickets are no excuse, all my friends used to try to palm free tix from KCRW off on me, like I really wanted to go to some "_____-fest '86" that involved sitting on grass or being packed in like sardines. ;) Which reminds me of my trip to the Stones' "Steel Wheels" tour where some stupid girl was eating peanut shells and drinking airline bottles of whiskey and puked it all up on the back of my leather jacket.

r2dee2
10-17-2001, 10:47 AM
VT and JT...sorry I didn't notice the post where my blessings were necessary on the ST blueprints. Of course you have them:D !

vulcantouch
10-17-2001, 12:21 PM
ok, just gimme a chance to check em out jt- shouldn't be long :)btw gsj, plz don't forget to include the cardboard undertray & clear cradle :D this way i can reproduce the initial retail appearance of these things (by just stickin the toys back in) without keeping an xtra set lyin around unopened :) not that i get curious enough to do this very often (Maybe once a year), but the option's always nice :) i spose i should take this opportunity to axe if anyone out there has opened packagings they don't want from ep1 #s 8 or 9, or trek 12? :D
whaddyamean jerky cdrom system jt?? jes stick a ghettobox next to your werkstation :) hey everyone, is jt tryina tell us he wants in on our mixtape trafickin?? i'll let y'all be the jerdge ;) since he likes floyd ( :rolleyes: ) i bet he & swaffy'd have stuff in common :) do they still have kwve (the waaave) in la?
another thing i have in common w/swaffy is fondness for electronic texture explorations. but one thing i don't seem to have in common with Any of you is that i rarely feel diminished at all if i pass on live performances. so crowded, so loud, so Inconvenient :p
vt
np: elo, "it's a livin thing"

SWAFMAN
10-17-2001, 12:50 PM
VT - re: "hey i got an idea! let's all start a fund to raise money to help swaffy re-buy all them asia, aldo nova, quarterflash & loverboy albums his mama threw out when she Thought he grewd up"
--You really know how to hurt a guy. I was always like GSJ described, in that I reflexively rebelled against anything that was popular or mainstream.

JT - re: "Free tickets are no excuse, all my friends used to try to palm free tix from KCRW off on me...."
--Wasn't KCRW the public radio stn out of Sta.Monica Community College? Sheesh, you're probably talkin' free tix to Peter, Paul & Mary, or "Click and Clack, the Tappet Brothers Present: Songs from the Edsel era." ;) As I said before, my motivation was purely lecherous, and altho' Triumph was about the worst band I ever saw, I wanted the femmes who wanted to see the show. I was NOT interested in the Peter, Paul & Mary femme-fans!!!

-and-

"......some stupid girl was eating peanut shells and drinking airline bottles of whiskey and puked it all up on the back of my leather jacket."
-- :eek: That sux! I had a bad experience with a leather jacket at an AC/DC concert at the SanDaygloSportsArena once, but you got me beat by a mile.

good shot jansen
10-18-2001, 10:17 AM
vt - another thing i have in common w/swaffy is fondness for electronic texture explorations
oooohie! i git to break out my kraftwerk cd's for my upcoming mix tape:D "boing boom tchak!:o

jt - only two I can think of are .................................and Beastie Boys' License to Ill
back in my younger days, when i used to git home from wherever, usually 40 min. before the alarm clock was due to go off, i used to have it set to play no sleep til brooklyn, it was the only song loud enough to git me juices flowing to face the day!(not to mention wake me from my near coma state!)

jt - I asked him why the music sounded best and clearest in the lobby
hey! growin' up with madison square (where mr. mccartney says they got long hair) garden, sound was always secondary! actually the woist venue i ever saw a show, was the double bill of aerosmith and led zep in '77 at the kingdome in seattle. actually heard the concert twice, 6 seconds apart! once when the wave 1st passed me, and twice when it reverberated off the rounded walls and came back at'cha'. bad hall fer shows! baad baad hall!:mad: (btw, it pretty much sucked eggs for football and baseball too!, glad to see it go!)

vt - i wish they'd release tandream's score to the '81 ken wahl b-flick The Soldier, it was the first tandream i ever heard & still dig it
check out the soundtrack to sorcerer, as well as their album stratosfear, those were my introductions to tangerine dream.

swafman - I saw Tangerine Dream play there
saw tangerine dream twice at the academy of music (later to become rubell's and schrager's palladium, incidentaly, that was the last palce i saw jean michel, back in 86. we hadn't seen each other for 5 years before running into each other there, i believe he was a guest dj. we spoke quite a bit that night, and the main thin i remeber was that he was definately strung out, even though he denied it at the time. of course a year later, it was confirmed by his death. :rolleyes: stupid, very stupid) anyway, can't recall why i went to see tandream the 2nd time (other than being under the influence of recreational inhancers i guess) both shows were some of the sleepiest moments i can recall in my live muzak experience. very soporific.

vt - i rarely feel diminished at all if i pass on live performances. so crowded, so loud, so Inconvenient
don't quite git your point! all of the elements described above is what makes live muzak soooooooo appealing! the 1st time i ever went to a general admission show was in portland or. in nyc, everything is reserved seating, so you spent your time waiting on line when the tickest went on sale. camp out all night, git up to the winder, buy your seats, then go home, and take a shower to remove the funk and grime. then in two months, go to the venue minutes before the concert was to begin, take your seats, enjoy the show, and that was it. in portland (and seattle as well), it was a completely different deal. get you gen ad. tickets whenever, then the day of the show, go camp out at 4 am, wait all day, until they open the doors 2 hours before show time, dash like hell (inches from gettin trampled by the stampede behind ya!), scramble to the 1st row, and then fling your body across as many seats as you can stretch yourself out over, and then defend those seats from the thousands right behind you who all have the same purpose! somehow the show was always more enjoyable this way, as you certainly felt that you worked hard for those seats, and no matter who the act (my girlfriend back then was a hugh styx fan.....uuuuggghhh, so i even went through the above drill for those losers), you always remebered the show fondly. and of course after the show, trust me, anthrax got's nuthin on the slime. dirt and filth that was growing off your clothes and body, from the all day affair!way way way beyond gross! i remeber in the summer of 79, my girlfriend came to ny and i had gotten tickest to the both the no nukes concert (springsteen, jackson browne, c,s,n, bonnie rait, james taylor, etc.), and the who show (their 1st since the death of moon), her comment after both of these shows was that they were awright, but she felt if you didn't spend the day as described above for a gen adm. show, well.....it just didn't feel like rock and roll!

np: wings - rock show

JediTricks
10-19-2001, 02:18 AM
Thanks R2! I await VT's judgement on them...


I mean that because the computer is processing the sound file instead of playing it raw, the rest of the system pauses for like 1/3rd of a second every few moments. I don't want to bring yet another CD player into my room, I've got half a dozen already. Besides, I'm not music's biggest fan. As for the Wave, if I ever turn on a radio again, I'll be sure to AVOID THAT STATION LIKE THE PLAGUE! If that station were any more vanilla, I'd be an albino. Between the Wave, the commercials, and Star 98.6 ("the normal channel"), I can't listen to radio for more than a few minutes. When I worked at a job-type job, we had STAR on all day, I could set my watch by their schedule of the same music day in and day out, and when I moved to Arizona for a little while, that job had the Phoenix STAR on and it was the same music!!!!!!!

I actually don't love music in concert either, I prefer the polish you get with studio-recorded music. There is something to be said for certain types of off-the-cuff natural music when it's live, but in general, I don't do lots of concerts.


Yes, KCRW was the Santa Monica College (no "community" in the name, even they they are a community college) public radio station, and those are some types of free tix they gave away when I was a youthful type, though there were lots of free reggae tix too (my dad even won a djembe drum from them back when our phones were the last on the block with a DIAL).

One thing that's good about leather, it didn't let the puke seep into my clothes. It would have been a LOT worse if she had puked on my back while I wasn't wearing that jacket. :p


GSJ, my last CD of License to Ill was worn out by my cd-walkman that I took to work every morning at 8am, so I know EXACTLY what you're talking about, "Fight for your Right (to party)" followed directly by "No Sleep Till Brooklyn" gets you up and running better than a coffee enema... perhaps I've said too much. ;) KIDDING!

Wow, the Kingdome sounds like one of the worst venues in the world! I've never understood the fascination with the Greek Theater a few blocks up the street from me because the dirt absorbs a ton of the sound, but it sounds like the Kingdome seems 10 times worse since you're getting too MUCH noise instead of too little. It's probably good that it's gone.

I think the thing about '80s music that made it so much more appealing to go to live shows was that the music was so much more about the rock atmosphere than actual music. I still pitty anybody who went to a Styxx concert though. ;)

good shot jansen
10-19-2001, 07:09 AM
three freakin' times :mad:

the only amusing moment from any of those shows that i recall, was during some song (yeah, like i'm to even know what song.....we are tawkin styx here:rolleyes: ) they dropped thousands of pig pong balls from the ceiling onto the crowd, and of course everyone close enough to the stage, began hurling these ping pong balls back up at the band. well after the umpteenth ping pong ball bounced off the fret of one of the guitarist instrument (as i recall, i thinl his name was jt :eek: , or something like that!), he stopped playing in a rage, and started screaming profanities down at us in the 1st row. of course all this did was insure that we would throw more ping pong balls with renewed gusto:p , and he would keep screamin' at us to stop! (vicious cycle), this went on for some time, until all the ping pong balls were exhausted. as i recall, in retaliation, the band did not come out for an encore that night (thank gawd!).:)

np: against all authority - destroy what destroys you

good shot jansen
10-19-2001, 01:35 PM
and boy is you right mr. touch! the set does indeed rock!:D

i love the tiger striping of the narn dreadnaught. grrrrrrrrrrr!:) :)

the asymmetry and angle of the marie celeste, plus the splash of yellow, rust, pink, green and red, make this ship a surprizin' standout! :D

eart force one is of course spectacular!

i can't wait to get the rest of the collection (hint hint):o

the surgical extraction of the ships, leavin' the wrappin's intact for transport to denver was a success!
once the gsj groove has been put to tape, expect a shipment o' goodies in the near future.
:D :) ;)

np: basehead - play with toys

SWAFMAN
10-19-2001, 02:33 PM
JT - re: "I've never understood the fascination with the Greek Theater a few blocks up the street from me because the dirt absorbs a ton of the sound.."
-- I always thought the "feel" of the Greek was sorta like the H-wood Bowl, just in how it was setup at the entry area, and sorta-kinda-if-you-squint, how the seating is setup. And you could equally easily scam a free concert from either, just by hanging out on the hills around their stages. Speaking of TD, they have a live album recorded at the Greek. I had a buddy who lived around the city for a lot longer than I, and he used to climb trees right at the edge of the Greek and sit in them to hear the shows. In fact, there was a whole culture of 'tree people' who did this regularly.

GSJ - re: TD "both shows were some of the sleepiest moments i can recall in my live muzak experience. very soporific."
-- I'd be dishonest if I didn't admit to being underwhelmed at the lack of stage presence during the TD show at the Civic. It was basically three guys sitting at three consoles that looked sorta like a cross between Scotty's work area in Star Trek TOS and what old-time telephone switchboard operators used to work at, with lots o' blinking lights. Remember this was before the advent of the PC, not even the tandy with 64kb ram, no hard drive and only an external floppy drive. I think TD's entire "stage show" consisted of draping some spider-webby-looking fabric from the corners of their consoles up to the light racks above the stage, and a feeble attempt at a laser flashing to the music.
But having said all that, I still enjoyed the shows due to the tons of hours spent meditating (& medicating??), listening to them at home. Much like J.-M. Jarre, if you listened closely enough there was some very cool stuff going on in and around the monotonous foreground of their music (IMO).

JediTricks
10-19-2001, 11:15 PM
GSJ, that ping pong ball story shows the REAL quality of live music... harassing the band! ;) What were they thinking?!? They may as well have handed out rotten tomatoes. :D


Darn it, I'm a huge Babylon 5 fan and I never could afford the MMs when they were out, and so now I don't have any B5 MMs and GSJ is gushing over them. :( Only things I have from B5 are the figures.


Swaffy, I can't imagine the lawsuits that could come from climbing trees around the Greek these days, but I have noticed that they recently mowed down a whole bunch of 'em right around there, so maybe that's why.

vulcantouch
10-20-2001, 04:50 PM
swaffy: "You really know how to hurt a guy"
-whatsamattah, dincha like aldo's "fantasy", asia's "heat of the moment", loverboob's "workin for the weekend" or quarterflash-in-the-pan's "ahm gowna hawrden mah hawrt, ahm gonna swaller mah teayears"? ;)

"like J.-M. Jarre, if you listened closely enough there was some very cool stuff going on in and around the monotonous foreground of their music"
-in that case, i'm surprised you don't find glass more rewarding; he was an acknowledged influence on tandream, floyd, jarre etc.

"sorcerer, as well as their album stratosfear"
-i've had Stratosfear since '83, & really dig a five-minute-long bucolic passage somewhere on it :) i have their Theif score; happen to know if Sorcerer's anythin like that?

gsj: "boing. . . boom TCHAK"
-needn't bother, i already got that album (as well as Robots, Computer World, '92's The Mix And slammin 12" remixes of "telephone call" and "tour de france" :cool: )
so you like kraftwerk-type stuff eh? duly noted re notions for your tape :)

"as a kid, i didn't get rothko either"
-so, you gonna share that apocryphal story with everyone here? ;)

"hint hint"
-yeah i know ;) just got a coupla stubborn problems to work out re your mixtape. btw thanx in advance for b5 #6 packaging :)

jt: "I await VT's judgement on them"
-i've gone thru about 2/3s of them so far. though a key is included, what i find most rewarding about them is how their broad landscapes of detail oscillate in the mind's eye between literal representations of vast technological habitats, and a futuristic take on islamic mosaic & labyrinth patterns (meant to depict the infinite) one gets pleasurably lost in, giving rise to a heady, utopian abstraction similar to the vibe occasionally given off by the first trek movie :) upon closer examiniation, one can see a number of redundancies, "cheats" and random (albeit usually symmetrical) element placements, the resorting to all of which i suposse was inevitable unless they'd allowed themselves 30 years to complete these things :) three interesting revelations:
-who knew main shuttlebay was That big?? :eek:
-according to the External plan, it turns out those big, blue-lit windows behind main shuttlebay are the roof of an Arboretum; surprisingly (and disappointingly), i haven't been able to find acknowledgment of this in the Internal deck configurations :(
whose perverse notion was it to put troi & riker's quarters right next to each other?? :o

"When I worked at a job-type job"
-as opposed to what you do Now, which IS? :)

"I'll be sure to AVOID THAT STATION LIKE THE PLAGUE"
-hmm, maybe kwve's changed some since i sampled em while staying in LA for a coupla weeks during the 84 olympics :( oh well, cool streaming audio's available at my local kuvo.org, two highlights of which are their "brazilian fantasy" show from 6-8 pm sundays and "so what" acid jazz show from midnight-3am friday nights (all mountain times) :) other than kuvo in cold cloudy weather, & our local classical station on snowy mormings, i too have sworn off radio :p
geez jt, why dincha tell me earlier you were interested in b5mms? when i've brought em up previously you were always so blase about em i'd figured you just weren't interested :(
vt
np for me & jt: steely dan, "babylon sisters"
np for gsj & swaffy: south park's cartman's rendition of styx's "sailin away" :p

SWAFMAN
10-21-2001, 10:11 AM
VT - re: "i'm surprised you don't find glass more rewarding"
-- I will have to give Phil another try....

re: "happen to know if Sorcerer's anythin like that?"
-- To the extent that you can call ANY of TD's albums different from one another, I think Thief was a bit edgier (as well as being from a film I thought was really good), and a better product.
But my favorite TD album, hands down, is Force Majeure.

JT - re: "they recently mowed down a whole bunch of [trees] right around there"
-- That sux. I thought you said you lived up around Camino Palmero, but recently you said you lived down the street from the Greek. So, are you around Franklin/Los Feliz/Fern Dell, or are you back towards Franklin/LaBrea? FYI, my mom lives up N. Beachwood. Sounds like you grew up (arguably) in the area. Did you go high school in h-wood or StaMonica? If so, would you be willing to say what year you gradjeeated? Just trying to see if we may have unknowingly crossed paths at some time.

JediTricks
10-22-2001, 02:34 AM
VT, I knew that the main shuttlebay was that big, the episode with Kelsey Grammer as captain of the Bozeman, the ship that smashed into the Ent-D over and over ("Cause and Effect", season 5) showed the main shuttlebay opened the only time on the show, and there were several type-7 shuttlecraft being blown out it, they looked tiny.

As for those blue windows at the rear of the saucer section, I can't remember any other blueprints that even tried to give them name, I just checked the ST:TNG Technical Manual and they didn't list the arboretum at all, so I suppose it COULD be there (though I don't buy it personally). Still, it seems like those windows were added simply as decoration. ;) I have a feeling it was Riker's idea to put those 2 quarters together. :D

I really felt frustrated at missing so many B5 sets when I had the chance to get them that I totally put them out of my mind. I never had enough $$$ to pick them up on the aftermarket, so it became something I switched off.


Swaffy, I live in Los Feliz, between Franklin and the Greek. Strangely, I don't even know where "Camino Palmero" is... I grew up all over Los Angeles, from West LA to the northeast valley to a block east of LAX (man, was that a loud area, right under the main flight path) to Santa Monica. My mom used to live on Beachwood as a teenager, now she lives on Cheremoya. I did half a year at University High School in West LA, then took the CHSPE (the state version of the GED) and split, never graduated; my grad year would have been '93 though... I think (it's been a while ;)).

LTBasker
10-22-2001, 04:01 AM
Hmm, U.S.S. Bozeman was a pretty cool ship, it was Soyuz class, Miranda class variant, that would've made a really cool micro. :D

SWAFMAN
10-22-2001, 09:26 AM
re: my comment "Just trying to see if we may have unknowingly crossed paths at some time."

Um.... unless you were one of the other kids at Chuck E. Cheese's while I was there with my son, I don't think we were crossing any paths. You were 5 or 6 years old when I graduated from North Hollywood HS (also went to Grant for a year).

(JT's - "my grad year would have been '93...")
Gawd, do I ever feel old.
:(

good shot jansen
10-22-2001, 09:54 AM
you an me's can swap 8 tracks of cal jam 74', whilst stagin' action fleet battles from our wheel chairs in da home!

gsj -class of 77

np: don mcLean - american pie

vulcantouch
10-22-2001, 12:21 PM
. . . you're gonna be surprised :o but, i don't recall any scenes where riker & troi visited one another & just walked next door :confused:

ltb: oh, but they did make a bozeman mm; two in fact. they're called "saratoga" and "reliant" :o
hey swaffy, whaddya think of my 3-way proposal (above)? what might you have a third party might want? :)
actually i've had force majeure since 83 as well; in fact, now that you mention it i think That's the one, rather than stratosfear, that has the bucolic passage i liked (sounds like something accompanying an extreme closeup of a model in a makeup commercial :D )
y'all think you're so hard tawkin bout your tunes, doncha? well let's see if you got the stomach to handle THIS (http://www.sirstevesguide.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=14960#post14960) :eek:
vt
p.s. eeewww, i Hate don maclean :o

good shot jansen
10-22-2001, 04:05 PM
"Now I think I know
What you tried to say to me,
And how you suffered for your sanity
And how you tried to set them free.
They would not listen; they're not listening still.
Perhaps they never will."

oooops my bad, nevermind................................

sheeesh "i stand on my pointed head, and my face it turns a scarlet red"

a line pilfered from the don mclean school of ryhmin' prose.

np: rockpile - wrong again (let's face it)

:)

SWAFMAN
10-22-2001, 06:06 PM
VT, that was a wunnerfel post.
(and thanks for qualifying those Rafferty songs as palatable members of the genre - I, too, really enjoy Right Down the Line

:cool:

as for a 3-way trade, I have the following MMs - Rebel Pilots, Imperial Pilots, Jawas, #68020 mini heads Greedo, Nien Nunb & Tusken Raider, and #68038 mini heads with Vader, Gamoguard, Greedo, Boushleia, Ackbar, Jawa & Nien Nunb. I also have an extra AF Naboo fighter. I doubt any of that is desireable, but lemme know....


GSJ, can we have wheelchairs like Christopher Pike?

LTBasker
10-22-2001, 06:16 PM
VT, actually, I think I'm wrong, I think the U.S.S. Bozeman is from the Soyuz class which looks like a Miranda class variant but is it's own class, I dunno though. Theres some pics attached.

britcit3
10-23-2001, 01:04 AM
An old Miranda class ship with a few modifications ?

Who would be pretensious enough to give it a new classification?

Oh yes, Frasier Crane.

LTBasker
10-23-2001, 01:24 AM
Starfleet did it to the Constitution and Excelsior...why not the Miranda?

vulcantouch
10-23-2001, 11:46 PM
just LOOKIT all them swell items swaffy has for trade! any of which can be yours if you can find me a betty "mm" (included with hasbro aqua alien resurrection figure (http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1650552408) or the droid control ship from the this hallmark 3-ornament set (http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewItem&item=1020226491) :) so, is anyone out there game for a 3-way?? :D
either way swaffy, you're gettin the applause ornaments :) how did i just Know you'd dig rafferty? oh yeah, no wi remember; you & he got the same beard ;)
vt
np: gsj giving swaffy two "pike-chair boops" signifying "no" ;P
(wht's Wrong with maclean? what's Right with him is the real quextion :p:p:p on a related note i picked up those jim croce/harry chapin tickets you were beggin me to get for you :D )

good shot jansen
10-24-2001, 08:33 AM
Originally posted by vulcantouch
i picked up those jim croce/harry chapin tickets you were beggin me to get for you :D )

noooooooooooo! it wuz supposed to be a ricky nelson/ john denver bill:mad: don't expect me to be grateful or nuthin.

np: plasmatics - living dead

vulcantouch
10-27-2001, 11:44 PM
yay (http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewItem&item=1477054277) (just published at $50) and yay (http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewItem&item=1023495025) :) re the latter, i guess swaffy & i won't be needin a third trade partner to provide me with this control ship. However, i still seek the betty, so: anyone out there wanna trade me a betty for this set's droid fighter & naboo fighter, you got a deal :D
now here's where i get Most devious: hey swaffy, if you feel like it, (and Only if you feel lke it), feel free to pay off this seller since i got it for such a good price. not only that, i'd contacted the seller in advance of bidding & she agreed to cut the shipping from $4.50 for priority to only $1.66 for 1st class, keeping the grand total down to $6.90 :D:D:D considering i'll be covering shipping for the danglees to you, you still come out ahead on them (they retailed at $4 each) :)
gee, i wonder what r2 would say if she knew how nefarious i was being with a coupla danglees she Gave me for free :o anyhoo, it's just a notion i thought i'd submit for your consideration; as y'all know, i'm Fulla notions :rolleyes:
oh yeah, forgot to mention that friday b'jr & i found several targ-exclusive b-wings reduced to $19.90, & he bought 5 of them :eek: he hates the figures though, so one of these days i'll get around to offering those for trade on b'jr's behalf, along w/a coupla other things. my mm pals naturally get preference, so feel free to express interest- interest i can Exploit :D
vt
np: ds9 ep "magnificent ferengi"

vulcantouch
10-27-2001, 11:56 PM
waitaminute, didn't you OVERPAY me last time? i seem to remember that maybe you DID. now, cuz i can't recall exactly (if you did you probably made some remark like "ah, fihget about it" and, happy to oblige, i promptly did :p ), i'm not sure whether it's fair to proceed with this "you pay for me" bizness. see how your possible generosity can screw things up?? i hope you're Happy ;P
vt
np: boz scaggs (http://cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=513855690/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/album.html/artistid=SCAGGS*BOZ/itemid=317240), "lowdown" (which, btw, is not quite diagonal wood (http://www.sirstevesguide.com/vbportal/forums/showthread.php?postid=14960#post14960); for one thing, it's not cheesy enough; for another, it leans a lil too much into disco, a la steely dan's great peg (http://cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=434459988/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/album.html/artistid=STEELY+DAN/itemid=32959) or wings' goodnight tonight (http://cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=434459988/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/album.html/ArtistID=MCCARTNEY*PAUL/ITEMID=392911) ;) )

SWAFMAN
10-28-2001, 04:20 AM
So I decided to "surf" for an hour.

VT - I'm ready to do a paypal or money order to your dangle-seller. I can do it as soon as I hear the ok from you. Sounds like a great plan. I am standing by......

vulcantouch
10-28-2001, 02:33 PM
i'll mail you pertinent details :) thanx-
vt
np: rafferty, "home & dry"

JediTricks
10-28-2001, 10:08 PM
I've got a question, why does this thread have 1200 views?

SWAFMAN
10-29-2001, 09:16 AM
VT - Paypal was done last night. Lemme know when you hear anything.

- Swaffy

SWAFMAN
10-29-2001, 03:23 PM
VT - I got a Payment Received confirmation from the "danglers" seller today.

vulcantouch
10-29-2001, 11:04 PM
. . .whatta stand-up goombah swaffy is- palpayed seller in a flash just like he sez he would :)
speaking of 200: jt, i imagine a good 200 of them views are probably mine, in that i regularly recheck my posts to edit them, make sure their hyperlinx work etc :) as for the other thousand views, i guess that's what happens when the word "legend" is lived up to ;) or, maybe lotsa people out there're usin r2's tea link for the singular pleasure of viewin mah mug :cool:
don't remember where you mentioned it, but i admire the logic of your "quigon is anakin's dad" theory. i can imagine liam neeson bein the remorseless luv-m-n-leave-em type. besides, shmi's a handsome woman, i might "slip her some midichlorians" too :eek:
vt
np: 200 sheep, "why" (maw hyperdub)

JediTricks
10-30-2001, 01:01 AM
Oh, I've mentioned that Qui-Gon is Anakin's dad theory all up and down these SSG forums, like here: http://www.sirstevesguide.com/vbportal/forums/showthread.php?postid=5929#post5929

I think "VT" is just a popular guy, there's no way around it. ;)

SWAFMAN
10-30-2001, 08:55 AM
LM-freakin'-AO !!!!!!!!!!

jeddah
10-30-2001, 10:13 AM
But surely the boy who brings balance should be a pedigree, non? :p

Hey BritC, do you know of any details of TV channels in the UK screening the EPII trailer? I can't face The Big Breakfast and all those 'maaaad' presenters going "I'm maaaaad, me!"

jeddah

britcit3
10-30-2001, 12:12 PM
Hey Jeddah

Sorry - no idea.......

although, I am told it will be shown before Harry Potter (Nov 17) and Lord of the Rings (a few weeks later).

Cheers

BC3

SWAFMAN
10-30-2001, 03:24 PM
see the link in my post at this link... (http://www.sirstevesguide.com/vbportal/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1328&pagenumber=2)

jeddah
10-30-2001, 03:39 PM
Swaffee. Altho' i was after TV scheduling (i want to video it - like in 99) that was so interesting, I didn't realise all the politics!

jeddah

JediTricks
10-31-2001, 10:47 AM
Swaffo's link may not work for some since it's set up for viewing less than 20 posts per page, so if you see a forum page without text, then take the "&pagenumber=2" off the URL, or just go here: http://www.sirstevesguide.com/vbportal/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1328

SWAFMAN
11-04-2001, 10:08 AM
VT, after reading the june 2001 column by paglia (again, 'cuz I'm still jonesing for new stuff from her!!!), I just don't know how you get up the ambition to even bother posting film/entertainment reviews. I mean, what's the point when someone that sharp is already on the job?

vulcantouch
11-04-2001, 01:14 PM
i assume you mean my old fsm humps (http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.asp?threadID=1764&forumID=1[/url) (their recent code change, which eliminates boldface, hyperlinx & paragraph breaks renders it indecipherable :( )? i don't agree with cp about Everything yknow. for one thing, as a male lesbian i like to think i have an insight into dykeflix and taste in chix that continues to elude her- not to mention film music and scifitoys :cool:
i took a break during the warm months, both from writin Humps and from watching hardly any flix. i'm gearin up again though, so one of these days maybe i'll resume it on ssg's own general section :) if so, maybe we can get you to finally join in, eh? :)
hey, you live in cp's home state, right?? why don't You find out what the Hell's keepin her ;) if they make her a premium service ( :( ) and you subscribe, maybe u can email me copy/pastes of her column? :D

jt: "I think 'VT' is just a popular guy"
-me, Popular? that's a concept's gonna take a little getting used to :eek: meanwhile i promise this newfound adulation won't change me, i give y'all my word i'll remain the same fulla-myself phenom i've always bin :rolleyes:

jdah "surely the boy who brings balance should be a pedigree"
-"even kahless himself was not noble-born" -worf to martok, ds9's "